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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:39 pm 
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Thanks for the links Jason. Aware of the first one, but not the second. Can I recommend one back... The Franklin Cover Up by Senator John W Decamp, whilst not directly linked to 911, it features some of the same people, and helps explain why conspiracys are normally swept under the carpet.

Why a taxi forum? Why not. Done plenty of other forums. Doesn't matter, I'm trying to educate everyone! :lol: I just happen to have run a taxi firm, and used this board while I did.


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Did the Americans put men on the moon.

Who shot JFK.

Who shot JR.

Is the Da Vinci code just a novel.

Did I ever tell you about when I was in the Royal Navy and we recovered a UFO... (can't though, official secrets act, and all that)

All made up conspiracy theories of course, apart from the last one.


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Graham wrote:
Thanks for the links Jason. Aware of the first one, but not the second. Can I recommend one back... The Franklin Cover Up by Senator John W Decamp, whilst not directly linked to 911, it features some of the same people, and helps explain why conspiracys are normally swept under the carpet.

Why a taxi forum? Why not. Done plenty of other forums. Doesn't matter, I'm trying to educate everyone! :lol: I just happen to have run a taxi firm, and used this board while I did.


Graham?

This is a taxi forum, we like to keep it that way, "occasionally" the forum does allow off topic posts to go uncensored but there comes a time when one has to draw the line. I think this thread has been given enough airtime in the past without having it resurrected time after time? Perhaps the thread should be left to sink into oblivion considering you have been given the opportunity to make your point?

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well, it has been a while since it was first posted about. I'm quite happy to let it drop down again, until something else happens.

Also why I posted it in "General Issues", as it's the closest thing to "off topic" on here. On some boards this type of thread has knocked up 50 or so pages of reply and debate.

Peace 8)


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I saw a program once suggesting that indeed it was cooked up by the US government which included things such as extra insurance been taken out on the twin towers months before the event and the fact that it was costing too much in maintenance to keep it going, building repair etc. They also used a flight simulator to try and fly a jet liner into the twin towers, even the best of their pilots couldn't do it, they reckon the only way that it could have been done with such precision was to use laser guidance. It has been said that there was a very rich man due to go the the towers that day but was told secretly to stay away, there is also talk that hundres of Jewish people were meant to be in the towers that day and were also told to stay away.

The program also showed footage of the tower coming down, too be honest it looked like a demolition job, something that I never noticed on the day of the event during the news, then again I bet a lot of people missed that one as they were probably meant to.

There are indeed a lot of theorys about what the US has done over the years including Pearl Habour, the rumour is that it was set up by the US so that they could be brought into the war with us against the Germans etc.

Same goes for the Titanic too. It's sister ship the Olympic was said to be in need of urgent repair but the cost was just too much so the identities of the two ships were swapped over and re-branded, the rest as they say is history...

OK, so this is a Taxi forum, but stuff like this is just a refreshing break from the norm :mrgreen:


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There are indeed a lot of theorys about what the US has done over the years including Pearl Habour, the rumour is that it was set up by the US so that they could be brought into the war with us against the Germans etc.

Same goes for the Titanic too. It's sister ship the Olympic was said to be in need of urgent repair but the cost was just too much so the identities of the two ships were swapped over and re-branded, the rest as they say is history...




You forgot the one about Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin being filmed in a Holywood TV studio instead of the moon :lol:

I saw this interesting article in a national newspaper recently:

Help, lasagne's out to get me

Ben Macintyre

The viral spread of conspiracy theories can have dangerous -or literally lethal -consequences.

CLOSE THE DOOR while you read this, and block the keyhole to make sure we are not being watched. This is just between you and me, but I think there is something fishy going on: the conspiracy theorists are out to get us, and they are plotting to destroy common sense.

The signs are everywhere, if you look hard enough. I recently received a message from a Turkish academic claiming, in all seriousness, that the bombings in Iraq are the work of American agents seeking to foment civil war. On the same day, the new Muslim chaplain of the New York Fire Department said he did not believe the 9/11 attack was carried out by al-Qaeda hijackers, and must have been the result of a conspiracy.

Throughout the universe, everyone is still reading The Da Vinci Code, a book claiming that the Roman Catholic Church is complicit in a 2,000-year-old cover-up of Biblical proportions. There is a genuine mystery here: how does such an unspeakably bad book sell so many millions of copies? Are people actually reading it, or is someone hoarding this rubbish in secret landfill sites in a plot to eradicate the world's trees, destroy the ozone layer, and thus boost the profits of a shadowy international consortium of sun cream manufacturers?

(Talking of ghostly patterns, I burnt a lasagne recently and when I washed the pan it left a profile silhouette of David Cameron. Spooky.) The University of Derby has started a degree course, "Apocalyptic and Paranoid Cultures", to study this avalanche of unrestrained theorising in a credulous age.

All the world is now a grassy knoll. Were the moon landings faked? Did the White Star Line sink the Titanic for the insurance? And who killed Diana: Prince Philip, Opus Dei or Fungus the Bogeyman?

The spread of conspiracy theory arises from a combination of spectacular gullibility and corrosive scepticism. Watergate blew a fatal hole in official credibility, but the authority of major media has simultaneously eroded. The proliferation of alternative news sources on the web and the ubiquity of ever more sophisticated advertising have spread the belief that we are constantly being hoodwinked, that things are never what they seem.

Conspiracy theories follow distinct patterns. The obvious, messy answer is rejected in favour of the sinister but simple explanation; the culture of conspiracy salves disappointment and insecurity, since it blames failure and pain on the unseen, untraceable "other". More than one fifth of all African-Americans, for example, believe that the CIA caused the Aids epidemic to destroy black communities. Almost all such theories are monological: anything that contradicts the theory can be absorbed and dismissed without undermining the basic conspiracy.

At the same time, tolerance of conspiracy theory allows fantastic speculation to occupy equal, and sometimes more space than the rational view. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the strange world of Shakespeare "authorship studies", the pointless debate over whether the Bard was really someone else. This week saw a new candidate emerge: Sir Henry Neville now joins Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon and Edward de Vere, the Earl of Oxford, as the supposed mystery author of the greatest works in English or any other literature.

The identity issue originated in Victorian intellectual snobbery, the assumption that a man educated at a provincial grammar school could never have amassed Shakespeare's learning. Yet the evidence in Shakespeare's favour remains overwhelming. Testimony from numerous contemporaries shows that the actor and playwright from Stratford wrote the plays; there is no direct evidence to suggest the authorship of anyone else. To accept that Shakespeare was an impostor requires belief in a cover-up of inconceivable complexity. There is no mystery author.

Let's get over it, and then get on with enjoying the fruits of genius.

The same lopsided debate exists in the battle between creationists and evolutionists in the US. As with Shakespeare's authorship, most experts and scholars have reached a consensus on the origin of the species; those who believe something else challenge this and, more dangerously, insist that their views be accorded the same academic standing. On a more disturbing level, if we allow the denial of evolution in the classroom, should Holocaust-deniers be given a platform, rather than being dumped in the cesspit of pseudo-history where they belong?

Questioning accepted verities based on evidence is the mark of a healthy society; but to do so on the basis of wishful thinking, paranoia or the ingrained belief that what is self-evident cannot be true is not only a waste of time, but potentially lethal. Left unchecked, conspiracy grows viral.

The scourge of polio, for example, has revived due to a single, spreading conspiracy theory. The disease had been almost eradicated when, in 2003, a deadly rumour took root in Muslim northern Nigeria: the theory, inspired by a fundamentalist Islamic doctor, claimed that the Americans were lacing polio vaccinations with a sterilising agent that would render women infertile. Despite assurances from the World Health Organisation, some Muslims began refusing to administer the vaccine to their children. The falsehood spread to India, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. This summer, 16 countries who werer thought to have stamped out polio reported fresh outbreaks of the devastating disease.

There is less to conspiracy theory than meets the eye. Shakespeare was Shakespeare; polio vaccine works; Elvis is gone; and a David Cameron-shaped stain on the pan is a sign from God to go out and buy more Fairy Liquid. Look at anything for long enough, and you detect a pattern. For months I have been searching for the hidden meaning -or, for that matter, any meaning at all -in The Da Vinci Code. And now I have found it. "The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown" is an anagram of "Odd cheat; now binned by vicar". Which just goes to show...

absolutely nothing.

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TDO wrote:
There is less to conspiracy theory than meets the eye. Elvis is gone.


Ahh, but has he???

There is a report that was done by an English Journalist back in 1991/2 who investigated the "Elvis is still alive theory". She found that up until 1991 there were funds being paid out every month from the Presley estate to an unknown guy going by the name of "John Burrows". When she went to visit this guy he had similarities to that of the great man himself, she somehow managed to get a sample of his handwriting which was a perfect match to that of Elvis.

It was later told/rumoured that he owed something like $10 thousand/million dollars on a deal that went wrong, the deal was supposed to be with some mafia type people and that he was also on the witness protection programme with the FBI as he was able to give vital information about some dodgy people that he knew of.

There is also the rumour that he later re-emerged under a different identity as the stage name of "Orion" (I think), this was due to his inability to stay away from the limelight, he simply wanted another shot of the action. This singer had similarities to that of Elvis who I think if I'm correct used to appear on stage wearing a mask.

It is also said that Elvis once entered an Elivis look alike singing contest for which he never even won. You have to remember of course that with the thousands of people out there trying to immitate Elvis it would have been quite easy for him to "mingle" as another Elvis wanna be.

Sort of makes you wonder...

Steptoe - Elvis fan.


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this just in today! It's finally hitting the mainstream. This is a Fox Affiliate channel in the States.

http://enigs.xmule.ws/fox_lc2e.mpg

Looks like it's not much of a theory anymore.


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Graham wrote:
this just in today! It's finally hitting the mainstream. This is a Fox Affiliate channel in the States.

http://enigs.xmule.ws/fox_lc2e.mpg

Looks like it's not much of a theory anymore.


Just as the news clip suggests, the twin towers was indeed a demolition job and just backs up another documentary I'd seen before.

Although it's all too easy to be taken in by something in which we choose to believe becuase it is an easy alternative, what if it was true.

If it was revealed that this was indeed true then this would blow a hole through the very fabric of the American way of life, no longer would the American people trust their government again no matter who stands in office. Did Blair also know the truth and was he truly standing side by side with Bush as the all knowing all seeing or was Blair just another puppet for Bush?

Was Bush really in on it? Or was it another one of those cases where the President claims "Plausible deniability"?

Whatever the truth is, one day the truth will out!


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which Bush? Snr or Jnr? Jnr was out of the loop. He probably knew about the wragames going on, hence his stunned expression in the school. He didn't know wether it was real or not.


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