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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:29 am 
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I am licenced in Ipswich & hold private hire licence. Was off duty on the way back from Hatfield & got stopped by old bill within Braintree council zone, into the layby where Braintree enforcement officers kept demanding to see my badge, after I told them that I am not licenced by them & therefore don't have to answer to their stupid demands, they kept saying "you need to have your badge with you at ALL TIMES, WORKING OR NOT", then they started getting right [edited by admin] arsey with me. I couldn't believe my ears, kept telling them they can't demand [edited by admin] as I wasn't licenced by them and wasn't on shift that day at all. Then they eventually decided to check with my council whether I was licenced or not, frigging dipsticks could have done it straight away without all those **** tactics. Then spoke to NVQ/BTEC company that provided training and my council and my operator and they all said that Braintree enforcement officer didn't have any rights to demand to see my badge. Bottom line is private hire drivers are bound by their council legislation & can't be treated in the same manner as Hackneys.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:59 am 
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Council licensing officers can only check their own licensed vehicles.

They of course can operate joint ventures, but they currently have no powers to do what they did to you.

That doesn't apply to the police and VOSA.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:57 pm 
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Surely it's easier to co-operate with other licencing officer than be arsey with them. If they're trying to catch unlicenced minicabs, then I'm all for it.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:01 pm 
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roythebus wrote:
Surely it's easier to co-operate with other licencing officer than be arsey with them. If they're trying to catch unlicenced minicabs, then I'm all for it.


You for Real? He kept demanding to see my badge when I had the right not to carry a badge off shift. How was I supposed to cooperate with a public servant that doesn't know his own job? I support what they do, not that they do it enough, but don't harass legal cabbies!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:29 pm 
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romik wrote:
roythebus wrote:
Surely it's easier to co-operate with other licencing officer than be arsey with them. If they're trying to catch unlicenced minicabs, then I'm all for it.


You for Real? He kept demanding to see my badge when I had the right not to carry a badge off shift. How was I supposed to cooperate with a public servant that doesn't know his own job? I support what they do, not that they do it enough, but don't harass legal cabbies!

Are you sure that you don't have to wear your badge whilst driving a licensed vehicle, even if you are not working?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:46 pm 
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grandad wrote:
romik wrote:
roythebus wrote:
Surely it's easier to co-operate with other licencing officer than be arsey with them. If they're trying to catch unlicenced minicabs, then I'm all for it.


You for Real? He kept demanding to see my badge when I had the right not to carry a badge off shift. How was I supposed to cooperate with a public servant that doesn't know his own job? I support what they do, not that they do it enough, but don't harass legal cabbies!

Are you sure that you don't have to wear your badge whilst driving a licensed vehicle, even if you are not working?


Absolutely sure. Confirmed by calling my local enforcement officer and my operator. It's down to local legislation where driver and vehicle's been licenced. Private hire drivers and vehicles are governed by local authorities where they are licenced. It's not a national requirement.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:50 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Are you sure that you don't have to wear your badge whilst driving a licensed vehicle, even if you are not working?


benson vs boyce - I suspect you are correct.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:56 pm 
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captain cab wrote:

benson vs boyce - I suspect you are correct.


Any person driving a private hire vehicle for any purpose other than a pre-booked vehicle fitness test must be a licensed private hire driver.

54 Issue of drivers’ badges.

(1)When granting a driver’s licence under section 51 of this Act a district council shall issue a driver’s badge in such a form as may from time to time be prescribed by them.

(2)(a)A driver shall at all times when acting in accordance with the driver’s licence granted to him wear such badge in such position and manner as to be plainly and distinctly visible.

(b)If any person without reasonable excuse contravenes the provisions of this subsection, he shall be guilty of an offence.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:13 pm 
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romik wrote:
grandad wrote:
Are you sure that you don't have to wear your badge whilst driving a licensed vehicle, even if you are not working?


Absolutely sure. Confirmed by calling my local enforcement officer and my operator. It's down to local legislation where driver and vehicle's been licenced. Private hire drivers and vehicles are governed by local authorities where they are licenced. It's not a national requirement.

I think you are wrong.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:55 pm 
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grandad wrote:
romik wrote:
grandad wrote:
Are you sure that you don't have to wear your badge whilst driving a licensed vehicle, even if you are not working?


Absolutely sure. Confirmed by calling my local enforcement officer and my operator. It's down to local legislation where driver and vehicle's been licenced. Private hire drivers and vehicles are governed by local authorities where they are licenced. It's not a national requirement.

I think you are wrong.


Well, that's what they said, not me.

Also, I wonder whether conditions of licence are the same borough to borough or whether they differ in wording.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:00 pm 
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Here we are:

"Wearing a Private Hire Vehicle (PVH) driver badge

All private hire drivers are required to wear their driver badge during private hire duties."

Source: Transport for London website
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/businessandpartne ... 26597.aspx

That's now officially confirmed that in fact asking me to produce a badge when I wasn't working was wrong and the demands and threats that followed were clearly over the top.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:24 pm 
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romik wrote:
Here we are:

"Wearing a Private Hire Vehicle (PVH) driver badge

All private hire drivers are required to wear their driver badge during private hire duties."

Source: Transport for London website
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/businessandpartne ... 26597.aspx

That's now officially confirmed that in fact asking me to produce a badge when I wasn't working was wrong and the demands and threats that followed were clearly over the top.




Sorry to say you're wrong - but you're wrong. You ain't regulated by London Private Hire Law - your regulated via the Local Government Miscellaneous Provisions Act 1976.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:27 pm 
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romik wrote:
I am licenced in Ipswich & hold private hire licence. Was off duty on the way back from Hatfield & got stopped by old bill within Braintree council zone, into the layby where Braintree enforcement officers kept demanding to see my badge, after I told them that I am not licenced by them & therefore don't have to answer to their stupid demands, they kept saying "you need to have your badge with you at ALL TIMES, WORKING OR NOT", then they started getting right [edited by admin] arsey with me. I couldn't believe my ears, kept telling them they can't demand [edited by admin] as I wasn't licenced by them and wasn't on shift that day at all. Then they eventually decided to check with my council whether I was licenced or not, frigging dipsticks could have done it straight away without all those **** tactics. Then spoke to NVQ/BTEC company that provided training and my council and my operator and they all said that Braintree enforcement officer didn't have any rights to demand to see my badge. Bottom line is private hire drivers are bound by their council legislation & can't be treated in the same manner as Hackneys.


Lucky you weren't arrested.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:54 pm 
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jimbo wrote:
romik wrote:
I am licenced in Ipswich & hold private hire licence. Was off duty on the way back from Hatfield & got stopped by old bill within Braintree council zone, into the layby where Braintree enforcement officers kept demanding to see my badge, after I told them that I am not licenced by them & therefore don't have to answer to their stupid demands, they kept saying "you need to have your badge with you at ALL TIMES, WORKING OR NOT", then they started getting right [edited by admin] arsey with me. I couldn't believe my ears, kept telling them they can't demand [edited by admin] as I wasn't licenced by them and wasn't on shift that day at all. Then they eventually decided to check with my council whether I was licenced or not, frigging dipsticks could have done it straight away without all those **** tactics. Then spoke to NVQ/BTEC company that provided training and my council and my operator and they all said that Braintree enforcement officer didn't have any rights to demand to see my badge. Bottom line is private hire drivers are bound by their council legislation & can't be treated in the same manner as Hackneys.


Lucky you weren't arrested.


LMAO, hope you were joking


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:30 pm 
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Would you believe it!
http://www.ipswich.gov.uk/site/scripts/ ... geNumber=4

All drivers are issued with a badge, which bears their photograph and badge number. This must be worn in a visible location on their clothing while they are working.

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