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Brummie Cabbie
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The only logical reason is to encourage HC to put WAVs on instead of saloons.


Oh so they don't care if the PH have no WAV's. The whole thing seems weird. If a saloon car can last 8 years as PH then it should last the same time for a HC. The age limit should be set with considerations to public safety and comfort not because they want the HC to be WAV's if that's what they want they should not allow saloon vehicles to be HC's :-|

There are about one million wheelchair users in the UK & a further six million disabled people who do not need to use a wheelchair. These figures are from 2-3 years ago.

Your suggestion of WAVs only discriminates against the Hackney Carriage trade, because a sizeable proportion of those six million disabled non-wheelchair users cannot get into a WAV taxi because of the high floor level in WAVs.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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The only logical reason is to encourage HC to put WAVs on instead of saloons.


Oh so they don't care if the PH have no WAV's. The whole thing seems weird. If a saloon car can last 8 years as PH then it should last the same time for a HC. The age limit should be set with considerations to public safety and comfort not because they want the HC to be WAV's if that's what they want they should not allow saloon vehicles to be HC's :-|

There are about one million wheelchair users in the UK & a further six million disabled people who do not need to use a wheelchair. These figures are from 2-3 years ago.

Your suggestion of WAVs only discriminates against the Hackney Carriage trade, because a sizeable proportion of those six million disabled non-wheelchair users cannot get into a WAV taxi because of the high floor level in WAVs.


I totally agree with you. I come from an area that is 100% WAV HC and don't agree with it at all for the very reasons you have pointed out. Perhaps I should have also suggested that they could perhaps drop the age limit on the PH so they are the same or come to an age limit in the middle of the 2 current limits. It just seems strange that they have the 2 limits and nobody has actually said anything about it in Carlisle. Age limits should not be used as penalties they are there for public safety

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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The only logical reason is to encourage HC to put WAVs on instead of saloons.


Oh so they don't care if the PH have no WAV's. The whole thing seems weird. If a saloon car can last 8 years as PH then it should last the same time for a HC. The age limit should be set with considerations to public safety and comfort not because they want the HC to be WAV's if that's what they want they should not allow saloon vehicles to be HC's :-|

There are about one million wheelchair users in the UK & a further six million disabled people who do not need to use a wheelchair. These figures are from 2-3 years ago.

Your suggestion of WAVs only discriminates against the Hackney Carriage trade, because a sizeable proportion of those six million disabled non-wheelchair users cannot get into a WAV taxi because of the high floor level in WAVs.


Did we ever expect a goverment quango forced decision via consultants to get anything right?

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Carlisle;

PH saloons 8 years max

HC saloons 5 years max and no older than 3 on first license

HC WAV's 10 years max and no older than 3 on first license

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Why the difference in age limits on the saloons :?


Because in general saloon cars dont stand the test of time and abuse as well as a car "supposedly" built for the job.


So I'll ask again why the difference between the saloon vehicles. If you look closely a PH saloon has 8 years and a HC saloon only has 5 years :?

The only logical reason is to encourage HC to put WAVs on instead of saloons.


What about the disabled people without wheelchairs who can't get into WAVS??? There's hundreds of thousands of them in the UK.
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What about the disabled people without wheelchairs who can't get into WAVS??? There's hundreds of thousands of them in the UK.


Since buying my Doblo WAV i have lots of disabled people not in wheelchairs and elderly people who just cant get into it because its to high.
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What about the disabled people without wheelchairs who can't get into WAVS??? There's hundreds of thousands of them in the UK.




When I was driving in "Newport Gwent" we argued exactly the above! but would they listen?were they interested? quite frankly they would not listen.

If only the trade could join together we could get whatever we wanted, and I mean everything. :sad:

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as ive said before, wheelchairs are only maybe 10% of "disabilities", what about folk who walk with a stick/zimmer, the blind, the deaf, etc?

what use is a WAV to a blind but walking adult? - none.


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That is plain dangerous, sitting in a seat with your legs hanging out and the door open. :shock:

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That is plain dangerous, sitting in a seat with your legs hanging out and the door open. :shock:

Methinks those side facing seats should be banned. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Blind they wont see the thing that hits them or the door hitting them ouch
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On a more serious point, I think those swivel seats could save many a cab driver a small fortune, should the DfT go WAV mad later this year.

Swivel seats, say £500, WAV over saloon, say £15-20,000. :shock:

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just read this taxi brochure, http://www.elap.co.uk/Brochures/TaxiResp.pdf ,a good affordable alternative to a WAV and a strong piece of literature to back up the arguement. I hope the DfT read this, it may open a few blinkered eyes.

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grumpy wrote:
just read this taxi brochure, http://www.elap.co.uk/Brochures/TaxiResp.pdf ,a good affordable alternative to a WAV and a strong piece of literature to back up the arguement. I hope the DfT read this, it may open a few blinkered eyes.


knowing our "leaders" its just possible that they think we (you/me/hacks/PHV) should accomodate all passengers, stretcherbound, and wheelchairs, so get ready to buy ex-NHS ambulances lads...


I used to transport many wheelchair users (in a saloon, for the ambulance services) who were not 100% tied to a wheelchair and quite happy NOT be wheeled into a WAV and strapped down...

my own dad (87 year old stroke victim) is moved officially in an ambulance WAV, but prefers to get into a saloon.

my mate of 30 years (now deceased) who was a paraplegic following a pit accident, wouldnt use his chair to be moved in, and had an adapted mercedes estate car, and had mastered the transfer, assuming a disabled person must be, or wants to be, transported whilst in a wheelchair is a gross assumption

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how many point straps does a WAV have to use to restrain a wheelchair?

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how many point straps does a WAV have to use to restrain a wheelchair?

Should be five; two for the wheelchair chassis & three for the wheelchair passenger 'seat' belt.

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