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So perhaps the likes of AndyP would like to comment on these posts elsewhere.

he is the last one to talk about rasisum.
the ex chairman of 202020 said to my best mate that they would take on certain drivers, but not others.
Now lets guess if the others where non white or not.
Perhaps David Spencer should write to the argus about that. :shock:


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he is the last one to talk about rasisum.
the ex chairman of 202020 said to my best mate that they would take on certain drivers, but not others.
Now lets guess if the others where non white or not.
Perhaps David Spencer should write to the argus about that. :shock:

Very interesting Mr Cgull. :shock:

It reminds me of the conversation I once had with a 202020 driver who told me that if you were white you could pay the deposit to join the firm by instalments, but if you weren't then it was money up front.

I think AndyP is opening up a big fat can of worms. :roll:

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Andy7 wrote:
If someone said "...the guy was from Newcastle and was incomprehensible..." would that be racist?


Yes, the point that some people seem to be making is that if you mention some an ethnic or racial group in a negative manner than that makes it racist.

For example, if the BBC news said that Bangladeshis were underachieving at school, then would that make it racist?

As I said, I think the problem is lack of diplomacy rather than racism, and there are lots of examples on forums, and this is what makes the holier-than-thou bleatings of some people (especially in another place) so laughable.

For example, three people who post on the site of self-righteousness have posted on here:

Nigel Marchant (18/3/2005)

It happens all over, it happens down here in the daytime with some of the Asian lads, they will get a job then ask them where they are going, the next minute the passenger is getting out of the car into the next one.

Nigel Marchant (12/12/2004)

Simple solution, make everyone who has not had a badge for 2 years take a knowledge test, we have been talking about it in Mansfield for the last few years due to the amount of Asian lads coming into the market, a few of them are ok on the knowledge front but the others are in dire need of a directional push.

No prizes for guessing who said this (11/9/2004)

We find a language would help too.

we have a big demand to speak punjabi, but no local colleges will do the subject.

now I will wrongly be accused of being racist, but I am certainly not local women in particular only have this language it is a serious problem.

italian is another language that will help and polish


Greenbadgecabby (26 April 2005)

'Taxee, taxee my friends, in my country i am a keeeng'

Greenbadgecabby (28 March 2005)

I'm happy you have 'proper' Nigerian drivers who have that whiff of stale sweat around them, shame the travelling public don't share your views.

Personally, I wouldn't make comments in these terms lest people think they are racist, but whether or not they are I'll leave others to decide.

So perhaps the likes of AndyP would like to comment on these posts elsewhere.

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Another point in this regard is posts made on previous forums, for example, TTFUK, which Nigel Marchant and a Mick Pollard acted as 'representatives' for.

Here's an example of some of the stuff they allowed to be posted. In this old post that I wrote, I'm referring to a poster called Wharfdriver/Geoff :roll: and as you'll see, I think that he's the same person as another couple of members, namely Jinxy and sidewinder:

Geoff, as regards the race issue, I think when people say things like:

"as for another thing off subject but ethnic minority can take along interpreter right.......
whats stopping him knowing all routes on knowledge and getting backhanders....."


"and how on earth does that chap that needs an interpreter ! take instruction from english speaking customer????"

and

"Honey I have read through threads and read references by one contributor in particular to threats to national security and private hire though he never meantioned taxis

"In the North West of England last summer riots were fueled by information passed on taxi radios the department of trade and industry actually intervened and instructed certain radios were replaced

"I have noticed on here a reluctance to take on board these issues only hinted at not even questions tabled to what the contributor was on about perhaps you all knew

"There is no doubt that in the recent past our trade was a haven for illegal immigrants shipped in with a portfolio of shady documentation and why CIU was set up

"Honey I believe the government must be aware of the massive risks that our trade along with hot food take aways
must have with the massive amounts of ready accumulated cash and where it could go

"Last year in one of our Northern towns a small back street travel agency was raided and four million of unlaundered cash was taken where was this going?

"Again last year taxi drivers in a Northern town were fully supporting Al Quada and the fear was funding them"


The first was from sidewinder, and the second from Jinxy, and you've made similar comments too numerous to copy on to here Geoff.

That's why I thought all three of you were the same person - this, the Leeds/Yorkshire conncection and the fact that Jinxy and sidewinder registered at almost the same time made me suspicous.

Anyway I apologise to sidewinder for the implied slur on his charachter.

I don't believe that you're not Jinxy - if she'd been legit then she would have said upfront who she worked for. And why did it take you a week to think of an excuse for signing one of her posts in your name after Andy caught you out and you deleted the post.

And don't say that Jinxy doesn't exist - she might well do, but whether or not she wrote these posts is another matter, whether or not she appears at Donny. Like your mates in the LTDA, who have gone to great lengths to decieve, I take everything you say with a massive pinch of salt.

There is another explanation of course, but I wouldn't take your rubber doll to Donny Geoff, you'll just make an even bigger fool of yourself than you have already!!!

The point about the references to race is that they always seem a bit out of context - whatever people's views on the issue I think most seem to have the common sense not to raise these issues so directly, because it just makes them look racist - but maybe it's a Leeds/Halifax thing.


I'm not saying your racist Geoff, but most people seem to have the common sense to discuss these issues elsewhere.


Interesting also all the stuff about the various IDs and the like, some things never change :lol:

But I think that those making comments elsewhere about racism are the pots calling the kettle....err I'd better not say anymore, or that might be deemed racist :D

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Roy wrote:
Thirdly I found out about this site from the person who designed and hosts our site, he had said that he was well known within this community but I didn't realise I would be the subject of conspirancy theorists because of it.

Roy Clark


Get a grip man, funny you came on a few weeks ago, made a couple of inoccuous posts then a great long spiel on the witch-hunt against us and basically said that we were lying, just on your hunch - judge, jury and executioner.

Then you reappear in this thread, which seems a strange one to jump into if you know nothing about taxi forums.

Then we find out that your 'fine fencing' website is registered to the person that set up TTFUK and also the subsequent site run by Nidge Marchant and Mick Pollard.

And how many people use the word 'construe' on taxi forums. And how many spell it 'constrew'?

Only one apart from you: Gateshead Angel.

Is Stephen of Fine Fencing a relative or wot?

Anyway, we've wasted enough time on you already, and in particular I spent time emailing you before when I thought you were genuine, but now I realise you were just a fraud.

Goodbye :D

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captain cab wrote:
You have me at a disadvantage JD.

I have spoken to and indeed had a few drinks with the person in question, I found him to be very pleasant and always supportive of me, which is all I could basically ask of the guy.


Very pleasant indeed, I never suggested for one moment that he wasn't, in fact he's a very nice guy but being nice is no substitute for ability and knowledge. The emphasis I put on his origin was to highlight the fact that he is incoherent at the best of times. I suspect we all know people who fit the category of being incoherent, some even have the ability to transfer their incoherence and gibberish through the keyboard.

My point is about the accepted practice of passing the hat. The discussion point raised was not about persons elected to represent the minority of people who elected them. It was about people who are elected by a very small minority and who in turn because of their stakeholder status make decisions rightly or wrongly on behalf of the majority of people who didn't elect them.


I fully accept your point about having a vote but having a vote is one thing, making it count is another. It is called democracy, of which I am a fervent admirer but it still doesn't stop me from making a point with regard to less than knowledgeable persons taking ill conceived decisions, on behalf of the majority of people who didn't elect them.

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Nigel Marchant (18/3/2005)

It happens all over, it happens down here in the daytime with some of the Asian lads, they will get a job then ask them where they are going, the next minute the passenger is getting out of the car into the next one.

Nigel Marchant (12/12/2004)

Simple solution, make everyone who has not had a badge for 2 years take a knowledge test, we have been talking about it in Mansfield for the last few years due to the amount of Asian lads coming into the market, a few of them are ok on the knowledge front but the others are in dire need of a directional push.



I see that Mr Marchant seems to be alluding that I implied that he was a racist because I mentioned him in the 'racist thread'. Cleary Nigel's logic tells him that because he was mentioned in a thread concerning racism then that made him a racist, presumably he's just lost his reasoning faculties or he's muck-spreading.

No, the point I was trying to make was that if they considered JD's post was racist then they were no better; it wasn't me that was accusing anyone of racism, it was others, and I was just pointing out the hyocrisy of their stance.

However, Yorkie in his new incarnation in another place certainly seems to think that Nigel is a racist, since he said:

....and mentioned asian a term of racial abuse anyway!

Personally, I disagree, but with friends like that, Nigel certainly doesn't need enemies!!

Oh, and I'm apparently a disgrace, a hypocrite and a cretin.

High praise indeed; I'd be more worried if that person was saying the opposite :D

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Very pleasant indeed, I never suggested for one moment that he wasn't, in fact he's a very nice guy but being nice is no substitute for ability and knowledge. The emphasis I put on his origin was to highlight the fact that he is incoherent at the best of times. I suspect we all know people who fit the category of being incoherent, some even have the ability to transfer their incoherence and gibberish through the keyboard.

My point is about the accepted practice of passing the hat. The discussion point raised was not about persons elected to represent the minority of people who elected them. It was about people who are elected by a very small minority and who in turn because of their stakeholder status make decisions rightly or wrongly on behalf of the majority of people who didn't elect them.


I fully accept your point about having a vote but having a vote is one thing, making it count is another. It is called democracy, of which I am a fervent admirer but it still doesn't stop me from making a point with regard to less than knowledgeable persons taking ill conceived decisions, on behalf of the majority of people who didn't elect them.

Regards.

JD.


I dont know the person well enough to be able to speak of his knowledge of the trade, invariably if he is poor he will more than likely not be re-elected.

A lot has been said on this matter and a lot of accusations have been made. Indeed I think myself and sussex got into a similar debate regarding Bristol and we agreed to stop it basically because whatever we said would be regarded as racist.

I know your sentiments and appreciate the honesty in which you sated them.

regards

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