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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:48 pm 
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yes marandy are good, but their is nothing stopping my competitors doing what I am doing, the only thing that would stop them is developing my own software, what I have found that every software has its advantages and disadvantages. So to bring costs down and follow dominate our area I think we need to develop our own. That's why I am asking for feedback.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:54 pm 
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westside1 wrote:
What's wrong with your current system from Marandy? You credit it with a 300% growth in your business over the last 2 years in the latest issue of the Taxi & Private Hire magazine!


who said their was anything wrong with marandy, and yes they have contributed to my growth as stated in a past post, but I have no control over my competitors copying what I have done, the only thing that would give me some control would be the development of my own.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:57 pm 
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It's unlikely, even if you develop your own system, that you will "do something" that your competitors won't be able to copy in any way, shape or form. It's all well and good getting the software right, but then you're going to have to have custom hardware and I'm not sure if everything you want will fit into one unit, and even if it did I bet the cost would be huge!
All of the things that you mention, you can add/run along your existing system (which clearly works) You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks!
You could have the best system in the world, but if you don't give good customer service, it won't matter. I wish you all the best, but don't be too hasty to change what you have.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:48 pm 
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yellowcars wrote:
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What's wrong with your current system from Marandy? You credit it with a 300% growth in your business over the last 2 years in the latest issue of the Taxi & Private Hire magazine!


who said their was anything wrong with marandy, and yes they have contributed to my growth as stated in a past post, but I have no control over my competitors copying what I have done, the only thing that would give me some control would be the development of my own.


Before driving on a dual license in the East Midlands I developed software and web sites. Prior to that I was a support/field engineer on some complex electronic systems with loads of microprocessors and software. I've over 30 years experience just developing software and Access/MySql/Oracle (database development) and I'm pretty competent and experienced.
It will cost you far more to develop your own software than it would to license something comprehensive and powerful like Datamaster http://www.datamasteruk.com/ their website is pretty awful but their product is absolutely bang on. I doubt very much you have any unique management system in use at the moment that can be modelled in software to give you a significant lead over everyone else. If you pay less than 25 quid an hour per developer then you are not getting decent, flexible programmers who are willing to go the extra mile to understand your business and your requirements. Pay peanut money and you will get chimps.
That is the key - what is special and unique about your business model and processes as they exist right now that is so powerful it overcomes any competition and that a programmer can then translate into a decent software model.
I wish you luck, I really do. But I'm bloody glad it's not me trying to re-create a cab booking system from the ground up for less than 80 or 90 thousand pounds at the very least. And I'm cheap! Mostly :-).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:21 pm 
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What would be nice would be a f***ing screen that you can read when it's hot and sunny.

Clearly not a problem in Scotland, but done here it's a pain.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:27 pm 
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phBloke wrote:
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westside1 wrote:
What's wrong with your current system from Marandy? You credit it with a 300% growth in your business over the last 2 years in the latest issue of the Taxi & Private Hire magazine!


who said their was anything wrong with marandy, and yes they have contributed to my growth as stated in a past post, but I have no control over my competitors copying what I have done, the only thing that would give me some control would be the development of my own.


Before driving on a dual license in the East Midlands I developed software and web sites. Prior to that I was a support/field engineer on some complex electronic systems with loads of microprocessors and software. I've over 30 years experience just developing software and Access/MySql/Oracle (database development) and I'm pretty competent and experienced.
It will cost you far more to develop your own software than it would to license something comprehensive and powerful like Datamaster http://www.datamasteruk.com/ their website is pretty awful but their product is absolutely bang on. I doubt very much you have any unique management system in use at the moment that can be modelled in software to give you a significant lead over everyone else. If you pay less than 25 quid an hour per developer then you are not getting decent, flexible programmers who are willing to go the extra mile to understand your business and your requirements. Pay peanut money and you will get chimps.
That is the key - what is special and unique about your business model and processes as they exist right now that is so powerful it overcomes any competition and that a programmer can then translate into a decent software model.
I wish you luck, I really do. But I'm bloody glad it's not me trying to re-create a cab booking system from the ground up for less than 80 or 90 thousand pounds at the very least. And I'm cheap! Mostly :-).
Nick


Nick I agree and disagree, regarding the hardware, andriod 5 inch screen's running 4.2 with the ability to upgrade to 4.4 are $60 a pop.

The programming side, your looking more like 10k to 15k max.

I specialize in seo, some of the program I had written to enhance google rankings are a lot more complex than a taxi dispatch software.

lets say it even costs 90k that''s still a saving if you work out the growth I am hoping to achieve in the next three years.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:31 pm 
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westside1 wrote:
It's unlikely, even if you develop your own system, that you will "do something" that your competitors won't be able to copy in any way, shape or form. It's all well and good getting the software right, but then you're going to have to have custom hardware and I'm not sure if everything you want will fit into one unit, and even if it did I bet the cost would be huge!
All of the things that you mention, you can add/run along your existing system (which clearly works) You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks!
You could have the best system in the world, but if you don't give good customer service, it won't matter. I wish you all the best, but don't be too hasty to change what you have.


What I have found is that technology allows the fastest path to growth. Most taxi companies struggle to get work, we have found the opposite, we have bundles or work and not enough drivers that match up to our expectations.

hardware is easy to source, andriod 4.4 5 inch screens around $60.

You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks. That I completely agree with.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:04 am 
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What would be nice would be a f***ing screen that you can read when it's hot and sunny.

Clearly not a problem in Scotland, but done here it's a pain.


Same here yesterday you couldn't see the fecking jobs on the screen because of the sun and the small screen.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:00 am 
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westside1 wrote:
It's unlikely, even if you develop your own system, that you will "do something" that your competitors won't be able to copy in any way, shape or form. It's all well and good getting the software right, but then you're going to have to have custom hardware and I'm not sure if everything you want will fit into one unit, and even if it did I bet the cost would be huge!
All of the things that you mention, you can add/run along your existing system (which clearly works) You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks!
You could have the best system in the world, but if you don't give good customer service, it won't matter. I wish you all the best, but don't be too hasty to change what you have.


What I have found is that technology allows the fastest path to growth. Most taxi companies struggle to get work, we have found the opposite, we have bundles or work and not enough drivers that match up to our expectations.

hardware is easy to source, andriod 4.4 5 inch screens around $60.

You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks. That I completely agree with.



And what would your expectation's be of a driver? A Cabbie is a cabbie, he's self employed and runs or rents a motor for a set amount each week.

Don't take this the wrong way but, it seems like your that far up your own backside you can't see daylight.

As for the fare structure, a wise man once said to me, "any fool can run about for nothing". If you charge the going rate and turn up on time every time people will use you no matter what you charge.

It's ok saying "we are the cheapest in Walsall" it's the drivers who have to fund it out of their own pockets, do you knock the drivers any rental off for running about on heap fares.

What happens when you need to put the fares up? Will people stop using you or will they carry on using you? You won't know until that day comes.

There's a firm round here who run on stupidly low fares and I mean stupidly low fares, for instance from our manor to Nottingham we charge £28, they try and undercut us by doing it for £19, will they turn up on time??? Nah they've got form for not turning up.

You've got to think of the drivers who are out there 60/70 hours a week trying to earn a crust, after all the firm would be nothing without the drivers would it??


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:01 am 
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yellowcars wrote:
westside1 wrote:
It's unlikely, even if you develop your own system, that you will "do something" that your competitors won't be able to copy in any way, shape or form. It's all well and good getting the software right, but then you're going to have to have custom hardware and I'm not sure if everything you want will fit into one unit, and even if it did I bet the cost would be huge!
All of the things that you mention, you can add/run along your existing system (which clearly works) You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks!
You could have the best system in the world, but if you don't give good customer service, it won't matter. I wish you all the best, but don't be too hasty to change what you have.


What I have found is that technology allows the fastest path to growth. Most taxi companies struggle to get work, we have found the opposite, we have bundles or work and not enough drivers that match up to our expectations.

hardware is easy to source, andriod 4.4 5 inch screens around $60.

You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks. That I completely agree with.



And what would your expectation's be of a driver? A Cabbie is a cabbie, he's self employed and runs or rents a motor for a set amount each week.

Don't take this the wrong way but, it seems like your that far up your own backside you can't see daylight.

As for the fare structure, a wise man once said to me, "any fool can run about for nothing". If you charge the going rate and turn up on time every time people will use you no matter what you charge.

It's ok saying "we are the cheapest in Walsall" it's the drivers who have to fund it out of their own pockets, do you knock the drivers any rental off for running about on heap fares.

What happens when you need to put the fares up? Will people stop using you or will they carry on using you? You won't know until that day comes.

There's a firm round here who run on stupidly low fares and I mean stupidly low fares, for instance from our manor to Nottingham we charge £28, they try and undercut us by doing it for £19, will they turn up on time??? Nah they've got form for not turning up.

You've got to think of the drivers who are out there 60/70 hours a week trying to earn a crust, after all the firm would be nothing without the drivers would it??


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:25 am 
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Nidge2 wrote:
yellowcars wrote:
westside1 wrote:
It's unlikely, even if you develop your own system, that you will "do something" that your competitors won't be able to copy in any way, shape or form. It's all well and good getting the software right, but then you're going to have to have custom hardware and I'm not sure if everything you want will fit into one unit, and even if it did I bet the cost would be huge!
All of the things that you mention, you can add/run along your existing system (which clearly works) You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks!
You could have the best system in the world, but if you don't give good customer service, it won't matter. I wish you all the best, but don't be too hasty to change what you have.


What I have found is that technology allows the fastest path to growth. Most taxi companies struggle to get work, we have found the opposite, we have bundles or work and not enough drivers that match up to our expectations.

hardware is easy to source, andriod 4.4 5 inch screens around $60.

You have clearly done well in the last 2 years and most of that is probably down to clean well maintained vehicles, a reasonable fare structure, and turning up when the customer asks. That I completely agree with.



And what would your expectation's be of a driver? A Cabbie is a cabbie, he's self employed and runs or rents a motor for a set amount each week.

Don't take this the wrong way but, it seems like your that far up your own backside you can't see daylight.

As for the fare structure, a wise man once said to me, "any fool can run about for nothing". If you charge the going rate and turn up on time every time people will use you no matter what you charge.

It's ok saying "we are the cheapest in Walsall" it's the drivers who have to fund it out of their own pockets, do you knock the drivers any rental off for running about on heap fares.

What happens when you need to put the fares up? Will people stop using you or will they carry on using you? You won't know until that day comes.

There's a firm round here who run on stupidly low fares and I mean stupidly low fares, for instance from our manor to Nottingham we charge £28, they try and undercut us by doing it for £19, will they turn up on time??? Nah they've got form for not turning up.

You've got to think of the drivers who are out there 60/70 hours a week trying to earn a crust, after all the firm would be nothing without the drivers would it??


ok valid comments.

expectation's be of a driver? my expectation's are. turn up on time, do your job to your best ability, charge a fare price and go home and throw in the fact they have to be able to communicate with the passenger (that's 80% of the taxi drivers in Walsall thrown out.)

regarding rent structure - we charge £70, £3.00 minimum fare like all our competitors, £1.25 a mile after that. Its not what your advertise and quote, it is what the driver asks for that matters.

Don't take this the wrong way but, it seems like your that far up your own backside you can't see daylight. - you might be right or might be wrong, but its nice making a comment on someone you have never met.

What happens when you need to put the fares up? Will people stop using you or will they carry on using you? You won't know until that day comes. - we have had two price increase's, one per year, lose about 500 jobs once you increase the prices but if you advertise right that fall is made up within a week.

we are the cheapest airport transfers company from walsall to BHX, the reason being we get alot of work from bhx so we can afford to subsides journeys to the airport with a high likeness of the driver getting a return journey.

just type in any major city to bhx with certain keywords, and you will see one of my sites in ppc or generic rankings.

as for drivers making money, if my drivers make less than £100 a shift they call it a bad day so do I, next question, dead millage? we use micro zones, meaning drivers normally do not need to do more than .5 of a mile to their next pick up, this reducing their fuel bill and increasing their profit.

You've got to think of the drivers who are out there 60/70 hours a week trying to earn a crust, after all the firm would be nothing without the drivers would it?? agree / disagree

first point of contact for customers - call center
second point - driver

driver conduct is the key to success. Training is the way forward. With the comment the firm would be nothing with out drivers, I have to disagree with that, yes drivers are for front of the company, but if they was not making money do you think they would stick around or jump ship? 95% of my drivers have come from other companies and 5% are new drivers to the taxi industry. Also with out guidance and leadership how far do you think the company would get.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:25 pm 
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yellowcars wrote:
regarding rent structure - we charge £70, £3.00 minimum fare like all our competitors, £1.25 a mile after that. Its not what your advertise and quote, it is what the driver asks for that matters.


According to the website after following your link the minimum fare is £2.50 not £3.00. The quote button is a bit of a none starter. I asked for a quote from Sutton Road, Walsall to Walsall Street and it said it couldn't calculate it and to ring for a price. Whilst I appreciate Sutton Road is a long road I did put the area of Sutton in. Another route I put in was Thorpe Road to Walsall Street and it couldn't do that either. It did however give me a quote from New College Close to Walsall Street, apparently a distance of some 187 miles and a cost of £207.79 in a saloon, which is great but according to the AA route planner it's a distance of 3.5 miles.

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as for drivers making money, if my drivers make less than £100 a shift they call it a bad day so do I, next question, dead millage?


How long is a shift?

yellowcars wrote:
With the comment the firm would be nothing with out drivers, I have to disagree with that


I have to disagree with that as well. What exactly do you think you would have if you had no drivers :? Drivers can get their own ops licence, however, you could not piggyback your customers everywhere :wink:

Do you give your drivers anything for their loyalty to your company other than the money they earn from their work?

With regards to a new data system I have one thing to say and that's why fix it if it ain't broke :D

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My firm, which apparently has 1000+ drivers paying £93pw for radio (£98 if late..) uses the MTData System:

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The main features that I find useful is the satnav, trip computer (in case you forget to reset your speedo) and obviously the sheer screen size. It also has a remote control which is handy. I don't know what Software it is based off, but it's Australian and an update from the old Raywood data heads.

The speaker is underneath the driver's seat and the rest of the 'hardware' is in the boot out of sight, thankfully attached to the back of the seats.


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My firm, which apparently has 1000+ drivers


Apparently? I thought it was a well known fact, you seem in some doubt :wink: I have to say I'm glad my data system isn't as big as that cos I really don't know where I'd put it.

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My firm, which apparently has 1000+ drivers paying £93pw for radio (£98 if late..) uses the MTData System:

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Surprised you can see out of that window. :shock:

Do you know how illegal all that is? :?

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