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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:31 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:
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The more sh** hours you work, the more you will earn.

Monday to Friday 9-5 will see you go skint in no time.



Some drivers only work 9-5 and they make enough money.


he means 9am to 5pm not 9pm to 5am

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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:28 am 
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westgatelad wrote:
As I was told. Look after the punters and they will look after you.
No they won't, they'll quite happily screw you at every turn. Customers don't give a sh!t about you, all they care about is getting from A to B for the cheapest price.

Sure having clean cars and fast response times with polite drivers makes some diference, but if someone else is cheaper do you think they care how clean the car is ? I've known customers who used us for years, saying we're the best and all the others are rubbish, but have ONE disagreement with a driver over route/fare and you never see them again.


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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:25 am 
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I've known customers who used us for years, saying we're the best and all the others are rubbish, but have ONE disagreement with a driver over route/fare and you never see them again.



You forgot that they'll leave you because the firm up the road is 10p cheaper.


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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:36 am 
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OP I can see why you are thinking the way you are. However, like others have mentioned maybe think harder where you want to put your money. The decision you may be about to make with the taxis was done with ease 10 or 15 years ago because it worked. Now I am not so sure. This thought or knowledge of hearing others do it in the past may have been what galvanised you to do the same. Times are different now. A deep recession in taxi talk means this: Your other driver that helped give you a passive income has now walked because he/she cant make it work unless he/she is working the black economy. This means only you can make it work, so instead of passive/labour income it becomes solely labour income. The business that one use to get working day-shift hours has reduced substantially that it almost becomes non-workable. Thus, they move into more late/night-shift work, at the same time eating into the pie of the already hardened night/shift driver. Resulting in more dead time in-between hires, dealing with drunk, abusive customers at the same time trying to learn the routes of the destination. Sound like fun?


Lets for now focus on what you want to do. The day shift. Could on paper 9-5 during the day work? Maybe it could with a few drivers/companies. This is only on paper, what about the reality? Ask yourself this. Am I willing to experience (all too often now) days were I wait an hour to 2 hours in between jobs to receive a 4 pound hire, to then go back to the queue and wait another 2 hours for the same thing to happen, but this time it is an account hire? Which means you do not get the cash till a week later and after you drop the customer off your fuel light has goes on because you left the engine idling all this time as it is bloody freezing outside! You have now done 4 hours and (if you put in 10 pound diesel) you are down 6 pound in cash (-2 pound in profit). You are now scunnered to the heavens, bored out of your tree reading that book or talking to the other drivers or listening to the radio and you are starving too. So you got to buy your dinner as well. Are we having fun yet?

Now the big hire may be about to come that makes your day ok, but are you prepared to sit it out to get it? Some days it will not come. Can you deal with that? What about 3 days in a row like this? Could you do it?


Ever waited a half hour for a bus for it feel like a day, imagine waiting longer but this is your earned wage. Think about what you are about to do. The proof is in the pudding. Well I am here to tell you the pudding tastes sour these days. As you will be aware all your outgoings are higher when you begin. Car will be about 12000 and then some (you could buy cheaper but the repairs will get you in the end, you say you can do it yourself, it will still take time out of working). Insurance 2 to three grand first year. Fuel prices not too bad at the moment but you know they will go up sooner or later. Also in all things being equal situation, fuel has still risen much higher than taxi earnings, in fact earnings have gone done about a third. Think long and hard OP.

Take the standard advice to all new drivers. If you have to try it then do so with the minimal outlay. So, get your badge if you have not already done so and hire a car out for a month or so and see if you can make it work for you. This is the best on two fronts. One you will be actually doing the job which helps. You will see how you react to the life of a cabby. Two you will get a feel of the costs involved. I say, 'feel' for a reason. It is alright seeing the figures in black and white, it is another thing altogether when you can emotionally connect with what you must do. When you hire a car you will experience the taxis at the maximum cost (i.e minimum investment) and you might find you cannot break even. You will then find out that some drivers make a living this way. Just think how hard/long these guys work. Scary!!

Like all investments try it before you buy it. I wish you luck OP, but go in with your eyes opened. Oh and btw, you are a mechanical engineer aren't you? So you are used to being on your feet 'getting amongst it' when you work. Can you change to sitting on your backside all day? it sounds easy, but loads cannot hack it. Your body very quickly ceases up. Good luck.

One last thing you may wonder why we are still doing it then? Most of on here are very experienced, and our costs may be lower because of that. Also, we know the customers and the routes, and when the busy times are, and we do the hours that need to be done. We are used to sitting on our arses!!! Most importantly we know what to expect. You don't. In a recession, that is an even bigger hurdle to get over.


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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:21 am 
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OP I can see why you are thinking the way you are. However, like others have mentioned maybe think harder where you want to put your money. The decision you may be about to make with the taxis was done with ease 10 or 15 years ago because it worked. Now I am not so sure. This thought or knowledge of hearing others do it in the past may have been what galvanised you to do the same. Times are different now. A deep recession in taxi talk means this: Your other driver that helped give you a passive income has now walked because he/she cant make it work unless he/she is working the black economy. This means only you can make it work, so instead of passive/labour income it becomes solely labour income. The business that one use to get working day-shift hours has reduced substantially that it almost becomes non-workable. Thus, they move into more late/night-shift work, at the same time eating into the pie of the already hardened night/shift driver. Resulting in more dead time in-between hires, dealing with drunk, abusive customers at the same time trying to learn the routes of the destination. Sound like fun?


Lets for now focus on what you want to do. The day shift. Could on paper 9-5 during the day work? Maybe it could with a few drivers/companies. This is only on paper, what about the reality? Ask yourself this. Am I willing to experience (all too often now) days were I wait an hour to 2 hours in between jobs to receive a 4 pound hire, to then go back to the queue and wait another 2 hours for the same thing to happen, but this time it is an account hire? Which means you do not get the cash till a week later and after you drop the customer off your fuel light has goes on because you left the engine idling all this time as it is bloody freezing outside! You have now done 4 hours and (if you put in 10 pound diesel) you are down 6 pound in cash (-2 pound in profit). You are now scunnered to the heavens, bored out of your tree reading that book or talking to the other drivers or listening to the radio and you are starving too. So you got to buy your dinner as well. Are we having fun yet?

Now the big hire may be about to come that makes your day ok, but are you prepared to sit it out to get it? Some days it will not come. Can you deal with that? What about 3 days in a row like this? Could you do it?


Ever waited a half hour for a bus for it feel like a day, imagine waiting longer but this is your earned wage. Think about what you are about to do. The proof is in the pudding. Well I am here to tell you the pudding tastes sour these days. As you will be aware all your outgoings are higher when you begin. Car will be about 12000 and then some (you could buy cheaper but the repairs will get you in the end, you say you can do it yourself, it will still take time out of working). Insurance 2 to three grand first year. Fuel prices not too bad at the moment but you know they will go up sooner or later. Also in all things being equal situation, fuel has still risen much higher than taxi earnings, in fact earnings have gone done about a third. Think long and hard OP.

Take the standard advice to all new drivers. If you have to try it then do so with the minimal outlay. So, get your badge if you have not already done so and hire a car out for a month or so and see if you can make it work for you. This is the best on two fronts. One you will be actually doing the job which helps. You will see how you react to the life of a cabby. Two you will get a feel of the costs involved. I say, 'feel' for a reason. It is alright seeing the figures in black and white, it is another thing altogether when you can emotionally connect with what you must do. When you hire a car you will experience the taxis at the maximum cost (i.e minimum investment) and you might find you cannot break even. You will then find out that some drivers make a living this way. Just think how hard/long these guys work. Scary!!

Like all investments try it before you buy it. I wish you luck OP, but go in with your eyes opened. Oh and btw, you are a mechanical engineer aren't you? So you are used to being on your feet 'getting amongst it' when you work. Can you change to sitting on your backside all day? it sounds easy, but loads cannot hack it. Your body very quickly ceases up. Good luck.

One last thing you may wonder why we are still doing it then? Most of on here are very experienced, and our costs may be lower because of that. Also, we know the customers and the routes, and when the busy times are, and we do the hours that need to be done. We are used to sitting on our arses!!! Most importantly we know what to expect. You don't. In a recession, that is an even bigger hurdle to get over.




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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:37 pm 
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A lot of truth and sense in Fudpaws post =D>

However if I had my time over again then I wish that I had found taxi/cabbying earlier. 1st and foremost unless it is London or some other metropolis 9-a.m 5 p,m is a no goer! Now if you live in a reasonable sized City/area then 6 p.m - 6 a.m on a Friday and a Saturday can be pretty well alright, if you feel that this is what you are going to do, then a few day shifts during the week will top your money up - you will live. Many drivers do the Fri & Sat hours and top up with contracts via the council - not my cup of tea, but it works for others.

Back to where "I wish that I had found taxi/cabbying earlier". It is an ideal business to use for an income, as you can drop in or out of it anytime of the day or night to earn some money. The point being is that you/anyone can have an income whilst setting up say another business, i.e property restoration that can be very lucrative. You sound as if you are good with your hands and you obviously know how to think outside of the box. It is not as expensive to do as it sounds (most get a loan) for what (if you do your homework properly) can be a very nice earner/a very nice living.Your redundancy will not last forever ......just use the money wisely or it will soon drift away.

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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:01 pm 
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Many thanks for the replies.

Its not as if i havent thought it through, but a few you havent read my initial post properley, or i didnt post as clearly as i could.

School hours/days yes i know its the off peak time, im merely pointing out i could work 5 days a week with ease, potter about between the gym and work every day, im not sure about the logistics of the radio but i have visions of playing COD in my front room if flat and could be back in the car and on the road in 30 seconds if a call came through, biting and bobing in the week wouldnt bother me as long as i had something to show for it, im not looking to get rich, just supplement savings and in a few years pensions.

I would work nights, again a seasoned shift worker long nights hold no fear, just wouldnt work every night due to kids, i have a few people i know would be gratefull of the odd weekend shift from as well, not sure how people pay people just to do the driving??

start up costs i would write off from my savings, car/ insurance out the way at the start, would like to have a plan in place re saving a set amount each week for the future ins, repairs and replacmnet of cars.

I drive a car anyway so wouldnt see it as lost money if i packed it in, would just use the car fro everyday use, at the moment i have a x5, so could eaisilly chop that for a octavia or whatever.

As its now looking ive a repreive of the redundo untill the end of this year, so not russing into anything, other than i will get my badge sorted in rediness should i procede.

The guy above re property developing, uncanny but a productive discussion with a mate of mine at the weekened, looking into buying a run down house and doing up, not got much further than thinking about it yet but its an option.One things for sure whatever i do will be at my pace, ie no more compulsory 9-5.

CT


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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:02 pm 
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work for who ever is charging the least fares wise as they will be busy and instead of getting a job every 2 hrs you ll get 3 or 4 an hour.


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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:09 pm 
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Cartoon head wrote:
Many thanks for the replies.

Its not as if i havent thought it through, but a few you havent read my initial post properley, or i didnt post as clearly as i could.

School hours/days yes i know its the off peak time, im merely pointing out i could work 5 days a week with ease, potter about between the gym and work every day, im not sure about the logistics of the radio but i have visions of playing COD in my front room if flat and could be back in the car and on the road in 30 seconds if a call came through, biting and bobing in the week wouldnt bother me as long as i had something to show for it, im not looking to get rich, just supplement savings and in a few years pensions.

I would work nights, again a seasoned shift worker long nights hold no fear

(Oh boy, this should be fun...)

just wouldnt work every night due to kids, i have a few people i know would be gratefull of the odd weekend shift from as well, not sure how people pay people just to do the driving??

start up costs i would write off from my savings, car/ insurance out the way at the start, would like to have a plan in place re saving a set amount each week for the future ins, repairs and replacmnet of cars.

Insurance £2500 and up.....have you been told that?

I drive a car anyway so wouldnt see it as lost money if i packed it in, would just use the car fro everyday use, at the moment i have a x5, so could eaisilly chop that for a octavia or whatever.

As its now looking ive a repreive of the redundo untill the end of this year, so not russing into anything, other than i will get my badge sorted in rediness should i procede.

The guy above re property developing, uncanny but a productive discussion with a mate of mine at the weekened, looking into buying a run down house and doing up, not got much further than thinking about it yet but its an option.One things for sure whatever i do will be at my pace, ie no more compulsory 9-5.

CT

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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:13 pm 
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This is what you do

Get your badge

then plan step 2

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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:18 pm 
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Ill break the taboo...

On an average day in a provincial town, weekdays/day shift £150 for 10 hours isnt uncommon, doing 100 miles "logged on"

In central London it should be double in moeny and less in miles

weeken nights should get you £200 or it aint worth it

a decent week is a grand - less rent - less fuel...


Others will take more, others will take less

Days = OAP to the doctors, hospitals, Tesco+ASDA, school runs and some airport jobs

Nights = Drinkers

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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:19 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Cartoon head wrote:
Many thanks for the replies.

Its not as if i havent thought it through, but a few you havent read my initial post properley, or i didnt post as clearly as i could.

School hours/days yes i know its the off peak time, im merely pointing out i could work 5 days a week with ease, potter about between the gym and work every day, im not sure about the logistics of the radio but i have visions of playing COD in my front room if flat and could be back in the car and on the road in 30 seconds if a call came through, biting and bobing in the week wouldnt bother me as long as i had something to show for it, im not looking to get rich, just supplement savings and in a few years pensions.

I would work nights, again a seasoned shift worker long nights hold no fear

(Oh boy, this should be fun...)

just wouldnt work every night due to kids, i have a few people i know would be gratefull of the odd weekend shift from as well, not sure how people pay people just to do the driving??

start up costs i would write off from my savings, car/ insurance out the way at the start, would like to have a plan in place re saving a set amount each week for the future ins, repairs and replacmnet of cars.

Insurance £2500 and up.....have you been told that?

I drive a car anyway so wouldnt see it as lost money if i packed it in, would just use the car fro everyday use, at the moment i have a x5, so could eaisilly chop that for a octavia or whatever.

As its now looking ive a repreive of the redundo untill the end of this year, so not russing into anything, other than i will get my badge sorted in rediness should i procede.

The guy above re property developing, uncanny but a productive discussion with a mate of mine at the weekened, looking into buying a run down house and doing up, not got much further than thinking about it yet but its an option.One things for sure whatever i do will be at my pace, ie no more compulsory 9-5.

CT



A. ive worked in quarrys in bannana republics and done 30 hour shifts before, at the moment i do a fair share of 12 hour night shifts that can turn into 15+ so i doubt driving a taxi at night would tax me physically, as for the aggro side of it im not worried.

B. yes im aware of the insurance costs, like i said i have the equity in my current motor for a new octavia insurance and change.

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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:21 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Ill break the taboo...

On an average day in a provincial town, weekdays/day shift £150 for 10 hours isnt uncommon, doing 100 miles "logged on"

In central London it should be double in moeny and less in miles

weeken nights should get you £200 or it aint worth it

a decent week is a grand - less rent - less fuel...


Others will take more, others will take less

Days = OAP to the doctors, hospitals, Tesco+ASDA, school runs and some airport jobs

Nights = Drinkers


Thanks for the reply, im sure it differs day to day place to place month to month but looking at that it would work for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:36 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Ill break the taboo...

On an average day in a provincial town, weekdays/day shift £150 for 10 hours isnt uncommon, doing 100 miles "logged on"

In central London it should be double in moeny and less in miles

weeken nights should get you £200 or it aint worth it

a decent week is a grand - less rent - less fuel...


Others will take more, others will take less

Days = OAP to the doctors, hospitals, Tesco+ASDA, school runs and some airport jobs

Nights = Drinkers



I thought the first rule of taxi club was!!!!!!

Nevermind. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Another newbie
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:40 pm 
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By the way. You mentioned taxing you physically.

You will be suprised what a shift can do to your brain.

I have already came home spaced like crazy and needed a few hours to get back to normality.


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