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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:41 pm 
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When the vote was taken to go in, it was for NOTHING like that it has turned out. It was similar to the promises of us all benefitting from North Sea gas, once again lies. To then panda to "Farmers subsidies" or what might happen to our car industry (ha ha) is a joke, as we have had our industry decimated by the EU since we joined. Prior to the EU, industry thrived, young people earned enough money to afford mortgages and the National debt was a darned sight smaller than it is today. Perhaps you can tell us how in hells name is the EU working for ANYONE, and by that I include 27 other countries in the EU.

Ask yourself this; Is it better to stay with a bankrupt/corrupt organisation because of possible short term gain, or do you take the pain now for a better future for your grandchildren? We managed very well being out of the EU for hundreds maybe thousands of years - it was better then and with British resolve it will be in the future.

My days of earning have now stopped, along with my savings being decimated through poor interest rates! So do I regret voting out.......... not for one minute.........not for one mili second.

P.S. I don't trust governments period - they are not there in the right sense, for you and I.


I think you're confused.

Most of the 1970's both in our time in and out of the Common market was full of economic woe, industry didn't thrive at all it was on the whole state managed and a disaster area.

You take Nissan from the North East, you take Ford from Bridgend or Airbus from Flintshire, not forgetting the other foreign investors that use the Uk as an aircraft carrier for European sales and you'll find millions of people who were sold something that wasn't there by stupid bigoted politicians, and a government that tried to scare people into staying in the EU

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:44 pm 
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Given that we joined the EEC in 1973, the 1975 referendum was, in fact, also a vote to leave or remain. On that occasion, 67.2% voted to remain. Details below, with caveats about the accuracy of Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ki ... ndum,_1975


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:19 pm 
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cabby john wrote:

When the vote was taken to go in, it was for NOTHING like that it has turned out. It was similar to the promises of us all benefitting from North Sea gas, once again lies. To then panda to "Farmers subsidies" or what might happen to our car industry (ha ha) is a joke, as we have had our industry decimated by the EU since we joined. Prior to the EU, industry thrived, young people earned enough money to afford mortgages and the National debt was a darned sight smaller than it is today. Perhaps you can tell us how in hells name is the EU working for ANYONE, and by that I include 27 other countries in the EU.

Ask yourself this; Is it better to stay with a bankrupt/corrupt organisation because of possible short term gain, or do you take the pain now for a better future for your grandchildren? We managed very well being out of the EU for hundreds maybe thousands of years - it was better then and with British resolve it will be in the future.

My days of earning have now stopped, along with my savings being decimated through poor interest rates! So do I regret voting out.......... not for one minute.........not for one mili second.

P.S. I don't trust governments period - they are not there in the right sense, for you and I.


I think you're confused.

Most of the 1970's both in our time in and out of the Common market was full of economic woe, industry didn't thrive at all it was on the whole state managed and a disaster area.

You take Nissan from the North East, you take Ford from Bridgend or Airbus from Flintshire, not forgetting the other foreign investors that use the Uk as an aircraft carrier for European sales and you'll find millions of people who were sold something that wasn't there by stupid bigoted politicians, and a government that tried to scare people into staying in the EU


There can be NO confusion over the (fact) that young people could afford mortgages and had plenty of money in their pocket/purse. In those days pubs,social clubs, night clubs and retail thrived - today they are dying.The irony of it all was that there was a lot of industrial strife, imo a necessary evil to challenge whatever government of the day - and to make them listen, the national debt was nowhere near to where we now are - but things were better......and that is not my imagination. Oh and a job was classified as a job when you were on a 40 hour working week, along with exploitation not being allowed under the the guise of "work experience" or "zero hour contracts".........and you would stay in?

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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cabby john wrote:

There can be NO confusion over the (fact) that young people could afford mortgages and had plenty of money in their pocket/purse. In those days pubs,social clubs, night clubs and retail thrived - today they are dying.The irony of it all was that there was a lot of industrial strife, imo a necessary evil to challenge whatever government of the day - and to make them listen, the national debt was nowhere near to where we now are - but things were better......and that is not my imagination. Oh and a job was classified as a job when you were on a 40 hour working week, along with exploitation not being allowed under the the guise of "work experience" or "zero hour contracts".........and you would stay in?



Are you not confusing the 1970's with 1980's?

I look back on the 1970's and early 1980's with horror to be honest, the country was f8cked.

3 day weeks, bins not collected, flared trousers, bay city rollers, heavens above!

'work experience' as you put it then was the YOP (youth opportunity program) £25 quid a week - not slave labour at all :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:

There can be NO confusion over the (fact) that young people could afford mortgages and had plenty of money in their pocket/purse. In those days pubs,social clubs, night clubs and retail thrived - today they are dying.The irony of it all was that there was a lot of industrial strife, imo a necessary evil to challenge whatever government of the day - and to make them listen, the national debt was nowhere near to where we now are - but things were better......and that is not my imagination. Oh and a job was classified as a job when you were on a 40 hour working week, along with exploitation not being allowed under the the guise of "work experience" or "zero hour contracts".........and you would stay in?



Are you not confusing the 1970's with 1980's?

I look back on the 1970's and early 1980's with horror to be honest, the country was f8cked.

3 day weeks, bins not collected, flared trousers, bay city rollers, heavens above!

'work experience' as you put it then was the YOP (youth opportunity program) £25 quid a week - not slave labour at all :roll:


The early 1970's to probably 1976/7 was fine, bought two houses (moved) 1972 & 1973 on the salary of a Car production worker and the pubs were buzzing. 1977 started off a bout of inflation, ironically we were then in the EEC. If you check out the facts, then you will find that we have had more recessions (post war) since we joined the EEC/EU than prior to. If you want to talk about bins we permanently have our general rubbish collected once a fortnight, so not much has changed re bins. The 3 day working week was only a blip in time (nothing like the financial suppression that has gone on for years during EU time)........The rest is/was fashion - I can live with that :D

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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In the early 70s mortgage rates were running at around 12%,think some people claiming the 70s were hunky dory have short memories.


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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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In the early 70s mortgage rates were running at around 12%,think some people claiming the 70s were hunky dory have short memories.


You are missing the point completely! I have not checked out the interest rate that you mention, but I do know that society did live with those type of rates, plus in the 1980s it went over 15%, many struggled, having said that many still paid their mortgage. If that happened today, then the housing market would collapse, if interest rates of the description that you mention got near the interest figure that you illustrate - there would be mass unemployment like you have never seen in your life.

No short memory here - we were better off prior to the EEC/EU.

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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cabby john wrote:
heathcote wrote:
In the early 70s mortgage rates were running at around 12%,think some people claiming the 70s were hunky dory have short memories.


You are missing the point completely! I have not checked out the interest rate that you mention, but I do know that society did live with those type of rates, plus in the 1980s it went over 15%, many struggled, having said that many still paid their mortgage. If that happened today, then the housing market would collapse, if interest rates of the description that you mention got near the interest figure that you illustrate - there would be mass unemployment like you have never seen in your life.

No short memory here - we were better off prior to the EEC/EU.

You did get tax relief on mortgage interest back then. :roll: And income tax was at least 30% and went as high as 35% for basic rate tax payers in the 70s and 80s The peak rate was between 1975 and 1977.

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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Mortgage rates were high then but property prices were much lower in relative terms which made your mortgage payment much lower as a percentage of your income which in those days fell even further if you were working in an occupation that had the clout to negotiate pay rises that kept up with inflation.


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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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Midlife martyr wrote:
Mortgage rates were high then but property prices were much lower in relative terms which made your mortgage payment much lower as a percentage of your income which in those days fell even further if you were working in an occupation that had the clout to negotiate pay rises that kept up with inflation.


You are not wrong, with the additive that the yardstick in those days was that a months mortgage was the equivalent of one weeks pay, in other words a quarter of your salary went on a mortgage. The problems that we have today have been caused by greed from the banks - they extended unrealistic lending criteria, that in-turn fueled property prices. The original formula of borrowing was 2.25 times my salary, and once times my wife's i.e if I earned in those days 5K it meant I could get a mortgage for = 12,500 + if needed, say my wife earned 3K, then another 3K on top equaling borrowing of 15.500. It left leeway if the chancellor of the day altered interest rates, as they frequently did. Today they have allowed the greed of extensive borrowing to get out of hand, as such they dare not put interest rates up to anywhere near the 70/80s. In many respects for those who are on high salaries it is a house buyers paradise, with interest rates being so low it enables them to pay chunks off their mortgage, thus bringing it into positive equity quite early.

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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Midlife martyr wrote:
Mortgage rates were high then but property prices were much lower in relative terms which made your mortgage payment much lower as a percentage of your income which in those days fell even further if you were working in an occupation that had the clout to negotiate pay rises that kept up with inflation.

Inflation was over 20% over 9 million working days were lost to strikes which wiped out many of the pay rises. The country was reduced to a 3 day working week and we had the winter of discontent. Year, happy days.

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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grandad wrote:
Midlife martyr wrote:
Mortgage rates were high then but property prices were much lower in relative terms which made your mortgage payment much lower as a percentage of your income which in those days fell even further if you were working in an occupation that had the clout to negotiate pay rises that kept up with inflation.

Inflation was over 20% over 9 million working days were lost to strikes which wiped out many of the pay rises. The country was reduced to a 3 day working week and we had the winter of discontent. Year, happy days.


Absolutely true! But....none of it was permanent, neither did we have as many food banks in those days as we have today around the country.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A7x9UnDM ... KH7kU2pAE-

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A7x9UnDM ... .yBLx4Q3o-

So,so, many blinkered people around #-o

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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grandad wrote:
Midlife martyr wrote:
Mortgage rates were high then but property prices were much lower in relative terms which made your mortgage payment much lower as a percentage of your income which in those days fell even further if you were working in an occupation that had the clout to negotiate pay rises that kept up with inflation.

Inflation was over 20% over 9 million working days were lost to strikes which wiped out many of the pay rises. The country was reduced to a 3 day working week and we had the winter of discontent. Year, happy days.


Yep effing brilliant the best time ever the torys gitting kicked around workers free to negotiate and kick arse when necessary the failures was in poxy management as at BL invent the Mini lose money on every one sold because they refused to invest in modern manufacturing techniques or negotiate fair deals with their workforce nurds.

Inflation with North Sea oil about to come on tap so what ................................ :D

9 million days through strikes =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> if they had kept it up we wouldnt have the likes of Phil Greed shagging workers would we or zero hours contracts ffs

OR EFFING FOOD BANKS FFS

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 Post subject: Re: Why 2.
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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
heathcote wrote:
In the early 70s mortgage rates were running at around 12%,think some people claiming the 70s were hunky dory have short memories.


You are missing the point completely! I have not checked out the interest rate that you mention, but I do know that society did live with those type of rates, plus in the 1980s it went over 15%, many struggled, having said that many still paid their mortgage. If that happened today, then the housing market would collapse, if interest rates of the description that you mention got near the interest figure that you illustrate - there would be mass unemployment like you have never seen in your life.

No short memory here - we were better off prior to the EEC/EU.

You did get tax relief on mortgage interest back then. :roll: And income tax was at least 30% and went as high as 35% for basic rate tax payers in the 70s and 80s The peak rate was between 1975 and 1977.


YEP HIGH TAX WHIZZ OH AS IT SHOULD BE NOW YOU DIDNT HAVE HOSPITALS BEING CLOSED THEN DID YER TORY BUMMER

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Not totally a senseless idea! Export more because the pound is cheaper, buy less because the pound is dearer, it should give us a better balance of payment -apparently that would be good for the country :roll:

P.S. Your beloved EU gave us HIGH fuel prices for years - I guess that was also the fault of Brexiteers for not voting out sooner :lol:


We'll find out in due course - my beloved EU?

I was only 6 when people voted to enter it.

Lets wait until the car manufacturers like Nissan and Ford pull out and Airbus no longer see it as right to stay here.

Personally I don't trust our government to give out the subsidies to farmers that the EU currently mandates, I don't trust the government to protect the rights of workers, and standards wise - if we're going to have to export all of those cheap UK goods even without some sort of tariff - we'd still have to adhere to EU standards.


i WILL BE TRUSTING JEREMY CORBYN TO DO EXACTLY THAT VERY SOON CAPTAIN ESPECIALLY ON WORKERS RIGHTS =D> =D> =D>

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