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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:51 pm 
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Admit it Mr T, your struggling to find the Anti-Uber clause int ya

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I am only expressing an opinion...none of this is of importance to me...I thought you were familiar with VAT.. If Uber set the rate..take the money.. and are Vat registered...then they owe( the VAT element of each fare) to the Gov.. for each fare that the drivers do. but if the driver is paid by the customer then they don't.

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 4:57 pm 
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Come Grandad Tory boy justify their actions :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

Why would I justify their actions?


Pardon me gobsh!te aint you a card holding Tory always defending those stinking slime ??

Hope you dont get elected today :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

coming soon Corbyn and workers rights which will fook up your little racket wont it GRANDAD =D> =D> =D> =D> :lol: :lol: 8) 8)

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MR T wrote:
I am only expressing an opinion...none of this is of importance to me...I thought you were familiar with VAT.. If Uber set the rate..take the money.. and are Vat registered...then they owe( the VAT element of each fare) to the Gov.. for each fare that the drivers do. but if the driver is paid by the customer then they don't.



What you speak of is a VAT issue, not cause to object to Uber trading

If my base set a rate (like Uber) and take the money (like Uber)then they owe HMG the VAT (or balance thereof) But the VAT issue is not the lynch pin of all the Uber haters is it....

If my base decide to integrate an app to the despatch they are even more "Uber-ish"

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:05 pm 
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I thought Uber were NOT paying VAT on the fares though

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:36 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
MR T wrote:
I am only expressing an opinion...none of this is of importance to me...I thought you were familiar with VAT.. If Uber set the rate..take the money.. and are Vat registered...then they owe( the VAT element of each fare) to the Gov.. for each fare that the drivers do. but if the driver is paid by the customer then they don't.



What you speak of is a VAT issue, not cause to object to Uber trading

If my base set a rate (like Uber) and take the money (like Uber)then they owe HMG the VAT (or balance thereof) But the VAT issue is not the lynch pin of all the Uber haters is it....

If my base decide to integrate an app to the despatch they are even more "Uber-ish"

Fit and proper.....

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I thought Uber were NOT paying VAT on the fares though



they are not registered in the UK? (like many others)


BUT........thats not the matter in question, or wasnt, is it

It was the booking/office/app that was upsetting hordes of drivers, in daily operation more bases are moving to app based bookings, so uber cant be such an issue...

in fact, an uber driver can decline a job (or not take it) whereas a base car (say on mercury) is under greater pressure to take the jobs.........or suffer for a few days

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:30 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
edders23 wrote:
I thought Uber were NOT paying VAT on the fares though



they are not registered in the UK? (like many others)


BUT........thats not the matter in question, or wasnt, is it

It was the booking/office/app that was upsetting hordes of drivers, in daily operation more bases are moving to app based bookings, so uber cant be such an issue...

in fact, an uber driver can decline a job (or not take it) whereas a base car (say on mercury) is under greater pressure to take the jobs.........or suffer for a few days


Uber drivers accept and then decline(cancel) a job when a better one crops up and the punters still get charged and then charged again when eventually they get picked up.
Just because your not registered in the UK does not mean your not liable to charge or pay VAT.


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1. Uber drivers accept and then decline(cancel) a job when a better one crops up and the punters still get charged and then charged again when eventually they get picked up.


2. Just because your not registered in the UK does not mean your not liable to charge or pay VAT.



1. Any taxi/PH can decline a booking from its base, we all have...

2. I think you will find Ebay might have something to say on that....they are registered in Luxembourg.

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Once again, there is no VAT charged on payments received through PayPal. Our fees taken from the payment are for the service we provide and they do not include VAT. Yes the links were to eBay where it explains what you should add on if you are a UK seller, but this does not relate to PayPal.



But VAT (and Income tax) arent what the moaners moaned about was it...

Now that any PH anywhere can sub or be subbed from any PH base Uber is even more legal...

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 2:28 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
heathcote wrote:

1. Uber drivers accept and then decline(cancel) a job when a better one crops up and the punters still get charged and then charged again when eventually they get picked up.


2. Just because your not registered in the UK does not mean your not liable to charge or pay VAT.



1. Any taxi/PH can decline a booking from its base, we all have...

2. I think you will find Ebay might have something to say on that....they are registered in Luxembourg.

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Once again, there is no VAT charged on payments received through PayPal. Our fees taken from the payment are for the service we provide and they do not include VAT. Yes the links were to eBay where it explains what you should add on if you are a UK seller, but this does not relate to PayPal.



But VAT (and Income tax) arent what the moaners moaned about was it...

Now that any PH anywhere can sub or be subbed from any PH base Uber is even more legal...




1 How many offices do ebay have in this country
2 how many offices do Uber have in this country

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Once again, there is no VAT charged on payments received through PayPal. Our fees taken from the payment are for the service we provide and they do not include VAT. Yes the links were to eBay where it explains what you should add on if you are a UK seller, but this does not relate to PayPal.


The person is the seller not e bay.

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 6:45 pm 
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MR T wrote:
[The person is the seller not e bay.


I refer to Ebays own fees



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If you are not VAT registered, you pay VAT on your seller fees at the Luxembourg rate of 15%. This fee is incorporated in the gross charge from eBay and you should include this in the invoice total you enter in Sage Accounts. If you are VAT registered, you must account for reverse charge VAT on your VAT Return.



So..... if your total fees for listing items on Ebay was £250 it would include £32 of vat but HMRC/HMG wont see it

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1 How many offices do ebay have in this country
2 how many offices do Uber have in this country


I dont know, tell me....

why is it an issue?

If a PH/HC base uses an app to take booking direct it goes onto the system via a server

in effect no different to Uber

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 7:52 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
heathcote wrote:

1. Uber drivers accept and then decline(cancel) a job when a better one crops up and the punters still get charged and then charged again when eventually they get picked up.


2. Just because your not registered in the UK does not mean your not liable to charge or pay VAT.



1. Any taxi/PH can decline a booking from its base, we all have...

2. I think you will find Ebay might have something to say on that....they are registered in Luxembourg.

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Once again, there is no VAT charged on payments received through PayPal. Our fees taken from the payment are for the service we provide and they do not include VAT. Yes the links were to eBay where it explains what you should add on if you are a UK seller, but this does not relate to PayPal.



But VAT (and Income tax) arent what the moaners moaned about was it...

Now that any PH anywhere can sub or be subbed from any PH base Uber is even more legal...



Your definition of subcontracting rules for private hire is totally misguided.Also when a booking is accepted it is a contract under law and the operator and allocated driver must complete that contract.


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:20 pm 
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Your definition of subcontracting rules for private hire is totally misguided.


Explain please?

Before new act cross border subbing was restricted to hackneys, but not now, and even that matter doesnt affect trade within an LA


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Also when a booking is accepted it is a contract under law and the operator and allocated driver must complete that contract.


and how is that NOT the case with Uber but IS the case with a typical base?

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If a PH/HC base uses an app to take booking direct it goes onto the system via a server

in effect no different to Uber



Who get's paid.. The Base or the Driver. ??

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 10:12 pm 
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MR T wrote:
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If a PH/HC base uses an app to take booking direct it goes onto the system via a server

in effect no different to Uber



Who get's paid.. The Base or the Driver. ??



If the base takes an account booking they get paid....and they pay the driver

If Uber takes a booking they get paid ...............and they pay the driver


the lines are converging

If a cash customer lodges the fare with the base, then the base is liable to pay the driver..

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