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Those nice chaps at the NTA getting their members discounted vehicles and insurance. :wink:

I hope there will be no bungs Cap. :wink:

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Those nice chaps at the NTA getting their members discounted vehicles and insurance. :wink:

I hope there will be no bungs Cap. :wink:


Only those ones that go under the derv tanks of the old FX4's :wink:

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Just so as you know, after reading and following the above thread, you come across as being realistic and sensible and obviously have the interest of the trade in your area at heart, but in my opinion you might as well be talking to a brick wall, (and would probably get more sense out of it), than the three amigos. The common denominator apart from the mentality of a five year old is that they do not want any type of system that would hinder their 'final solution' (ref. third reich).


I was under the impression Gateshead was a deregulated authority, like the majority of other authorities in England and Wales, so how can you blame the situation in Gateshead on TDO? In fact GA has already stated that he is the man that is practically responsible for the state of the Taxi trade in Gateshead? Admittedly, removal of restrictions wasn't down to him and it certainly wasn't down to TDO so its a bit rich trying to blame the ills of the Taxi trade in Gateshead or anywhere else for that matter on TDO?

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Nitpicking every last word is a sign of their own desperation and their inability to grasp the reality of the real world.


I don't know what you mean by "nitpicking" but Accuracy is the word, not nitpicking. If someone misquotes another, then there are only two possible reasons for doing so, either it was a mistake or it was intentional. Perhaps you have an example?

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They are perfect examples of the singular individuals we have throughout the trade that like to think they can manipulate others with promises of equality


To redress the balance of equality, first there must be inequality and I must admit your very statement gives the impression that you believe there is an inequality? Considering over 70% of local authorities practice a form of equality when it comes to issuing taxi licenses then it would appear that the inequality you talk about only exists in a minority of authorities and Gateshead isn't one of them.

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but failing at the same time in educating them in the joys of bankruptcy. It's a case of the blind leading the blind.


If you start off with an authority that has no cabs and it practices a policy of equality as you put it, who's fault is it if a person decides to own and drive a cab then fails to make a living? Are you going to blame the council for having an open policy or do you blame the individual for his own failed decision making. You seem to think the council owes you a living when in fact they owe you nothing.

However, I suppose most of us see where you are coming from but the emphasis should not be on restricting vehicles the emphasis should be on restricting drivers through quality controls. Which at the moment are totally inadequate. I don't suppose stringent driver quality controls will suit those people who have no intention of driving their own cab but it will certainly place the emphasis of control on those that do drive a cab?

I believe, that only when this taxi trade is rid of the inequality you allude to, will it rise like a phoenix and become all powerful. It certainly won't happen in my life time but it might in yours?

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So I take it, you disagree. :lol:

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So I take it, you disagree.


But not about the discounts :lol:

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Of course, the NTA do guarantee we wont kill members kittens upon your membership being accepted.

You should note that this offer has been suspiciously missed by other organisations purporting to represent the trade.

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GA, just for you....

There is no hard economic or monetary value in a taxi licence plate. This means no intrinsic value. A Licence plate “value” is purely artificial and subject to the vagaries of council policy. The monetary value of a taxi licence only exists, in so far, as there is a controlled over supply of drivers. This is subject to a numerical limit being placed on plates. Drivers are then turned into a commodity to be traded between owners, and forced to compete with one another for their job security - their casual job status making them totally dependent on the plate holders for their employment. The more drivers, the greater the driver’s dependency is on the owner, and the system of becoming an owner - the higher the hike in rentals and plate premiums-and so on and so forth.

Anyone who would advocate a system like this does it in the full and certain knowledge that drivers entering the trade will be totally dependent on the existing owners for their livelihood.

This is why you advocate a limit on licence plates GA. You want to control and enslave anyone entering the trade to build your little empire. You don’t want to compete in a free market economy where the only barrier to entering the trade maybe quality controls. This would not serve your purpose or that of Mr. T’s or CC’s for that matter. There would be no point.

Where would your artificial market or high moral rhetoric be then?

BTW, it is fear and not principal that makes us moral. This is why you pull the moral card at every opportunity. You need people to beat on to make others feel that they are less worthy than you, and they therefore should want to be like you, or at least follow your cause.

Your intent is all too obvious GA :roll:

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GA, just for you....

There is no hard economic or monetary value in a taxi licence plate. This means no intrinsic value. A Licence plate “value” is purely artificial and subject to the vagaries of council policy. The monetary value of a taxi licence only exists, in so far, as there is a controlled over supply of drivers. This is subject to a numerical limit being placed on plates. Drivers are then turned into a commodity to be traded between owners, and forced to compete with one another for their job security - their casual job status making them totally dependent on the plate holders for their employment. The more drivers, the greater the driver’s dependency is on the owner, and the system of becoming an owner - the higher the hike in rentals and plate premiums-and so on and so forth.

Anyone who would advocate a system like this does it in the full and certain knowledge that drivers entering the trade will be totally dependent on the existing owners for their livelihood.

This is why you advocate a limit on licence plates GA. You want to control and enslave anyone entering the trade to build your little empire. You don’t want to compete in a free market economy where the only barrier to entering the trade maybe quality controls. This would not serve your purpose or that of Mr. T’s or CC’s for that matter. There would be no point.

Where would your artificial market or high moral rhetoric be then?

BTW, it is fear and not principal that makes us moral. This is why you pull the moral card at every opportunity. You need people to beat on to make others feel that they are less worthy than you, and they therefore should want to be like you, or at least follow your cause.

Your intent is all too obvious GA :roll:


Yeah but that aside;

Those nice chaps at the NTA getting their members discounted vehicles and insurance. :wink:

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GA, just for you....

There is no hard economic or monetary value in a taxi licence plate. This means no intrinsic value. A Licence plate “value” is purely artificial and subject to the vagaries of council policy. The monetary value of a taxi licence only exists, in so far, as there is a controlled over supply of drivers. This is subject to a numerical limit being placed on plates. Drivers are then turned into a commodity to be traded between owners, and forced to compete with one another for their job security - their casual job status making them totally dependent on the plate holders for their employment. The more drivers, the greater the driver’s dependency is on the owner, and the system of becoming an owner - the higher the hike in rentals and plate premiums-and so on and so forth.

Anyone who would advocate a system like this does it in the full and certain knowledge that drivers entering the trade will be totally dependent on the existing owners for their livelihood.

This is why you advocate a limit on licence plates GA. You want to control and enslave anyone entering the trade to build your little empire. You don’t want to compete in a free market economy where the only barrier to entering the trade maybe quality controls. This would not serve your purpose or that of Mr. T’s or CC’s for that matter. There would be no point.

Where would your artificial market or high moral rhetoric be then?

BTW, it is fear and not principal that makes us moral. This is why you pull the moral card at every opportunity. You need people to beat on to make others feel that they are less worthy than you, and they therefore should want to be like you, or at least follow your cause.

Your intent is all too obvious GA :roll:


Yeah but that aside;

Those nice chaps at the NTA getting their members discounted vehicles and insurance. :wink:

CC


Not like you to use a diversionary tactic to help out a mate, eh CC?


BTW, I like humour better.:lol:

You could do with giving a few pointers to GA. :roll:

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GA, just for you....

There is no hard economic or monetary value in a taxi licence plate. This means no intrinsic value. A Licence plate “value” is purely artificial and subject to the vagaries of council policy. The monetary value of a taxi licence only exists, in so far, as there is a controlled over supply of drivers. This is subject to a numerical limit being placed on plates. Drivers are then turned into a commodity to be traded between owners, and forced to compete with one another for their job security - their casual job status making them totally dependent on the plate holders for their employment. The more drivers, the greater the driver’s dependency is on the owner, and the system of becoming an owner - the higher the hike in rentals and plate premiums-and so on and so forth.

Anyone who would advocate a system like this does it in the full and certain knowledge that drivers entering the trade will be totally dependent on the existing owners for their livelihood.

This is why you advocate a limit on licence plates GA. You want to control and enslave anyone entering the trade to build your little empire. You don’t want to compete in a free market economy where the only barrier to entering the trade maybe quality controls. This would not serve your purpose or that of Mr. T’s or CC’s for that matter. There would be no point.

Where would your artificial market or high moral rhetoric be then?

BTW, it is fear and not principal that makes us moral. This is why you pull the moral card at every opportunity. You need people to beat on to make others feel that they are less worthy than you, and they therefore should want to be like you, or at least follow your cause.

Your intent is all too obvious GA :roll:




The reason I feel the need to slap you down GA is to expose your intent. I only hope that some of your so called association members have had the opportunity to see what a shallow individual you really are. That’s supposing that they are not all like you and can actually think for themselves and make-up their own minds.

The trade doesn’t need anymore parasites like you feeding off it.


BTW, it is the driver who is the trade’s life blood and not some artificial plate value used to enslave him.

Get yourself another cause GA :wink:

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Yeah, but that aside, think of the massive savings...

its totally :shock: :shock: :shock: shocking!!

come and join the NTA, amongst other things we dont care if your gay
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Skull ................. here's little me sitting here in sunny Gateshead trying to improve things for drivers and theres you in Edinburgh trying to associate my actions with the actions of the trade representatives up there.

You talk about exploitation .................. you claim that it should be stopped and I completely and totally agree .................... the problem is that the plate to driver ratio here is quite obviously different than where you are.

Of the plates that are rented most are white plates (that's plates that are for WAV vehicles) the yellow plates (saloons) are almost all owner drivers.

The yellow plates have always been restricted to 85 and therefore have a value currently standing at approx £6k, this figure actually rose during the time white plates were been given out for free on production of a WAV to over £10k. Since the temporary restriction some people have been offered £2500 for a white plate even though they know the suspension is only temporary.

If you want to discuss exploitation then lets get the figures out in the open which in this area clearly show where the true exploiters are.
I could get you into a 06 reg VW Caravelle on 24hr hire with all expenses covered for £160 a week, however I know of drivers who are renting the same type of vehicle for £180 a week plus insurance, not including tyres or brakes and plus office radio rental of £120 a week.
The fact remains that the PH operators are charging drivers at least £140 a week more for use of their vehicles than the people your trying to put out of business .................... you could suggest that the PH operator was supplying them with work, and in principle you would be right, however in practice there are as many HC on the ranks with radios in as there is without.

I understand you have a low opinion of me ................. but you do not know me ................... you have categorised me as the same as others without justification or indeed evidence ................ and then you have the cheek to claim that I consider myself to be judge , jury and executioner, all I do is deliver what our members mandate me to, and I do that whether I agree with the action or not ............ its called proper representation.

Still the TAXI LORD Skull master of all knowledge, has formed his opinion ............... and must turn to personal insults because he has no knowledge of how the taxi world turns outside of Edinburgh.

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I would read this again I think you've lost the plot
GA, just for you....

There is no hard economic or monetary value in a taxi licence plate. This means no intrinsic value. A Licence plate “value” is purely artificial and subject to the vagaries of council policy. The monetary value of a taxi licence only exists, in so far, as there is a controlled over supply of drivers. This is subject to a numerical limit being placed on plates. Drivers are then turned into a commodity to be traded between owners, and forced to compete with one another for their job security - their casual job status making them totally dependent on the plate holders for their employment. The more drivers, the greater the driver’s dependency is on the owner, and the system of becoming an owner - the higher the hike in rentals and plate premiums-and so on and so forth.

Anyone who would advocate a system like this does it in the full and certain knowledge that drivers entering the trade will be totally dependent on the existing owners for their livelihood.

This is why you advocate a limit on licence plates GA. You want to control and enslave anyone entering the trade to build your little empire. You don’t want to compete in a free market economy where the only barrier to entering the trade maybe quality controls. This would not serve your purpose or that of Mr. T’s or CC’s for that matter. There would be no point.

Where would your artificial market or high moral rhetoric be then?

BTW, it is fear and not principal that makes us moral. This is why you pull the moral card at every opportunity. You need people to beat on to make others feel that they are less worthy than you, and they therefore should want to be like you, or at least follow your cause.

Your intent is all too obvious GA

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In my own humble (and I am nothing if not humble) view, if politics are playing a part of the decision making process, then politicians should have the licensing remit removed from them, an independent body should be established whose sole remit is taxi and private hire licensing.


And some of us have been saying this for years.

And it's not just about party politics, it's also about the fact that councillors are motivated by things other than regulating the trade for the public good.

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One thing that really surprises me, although it shouldn’t, is that many people within the industry have not got a single clue about it, nor do they know which particular direction it should head towards. People are seemingly devout of ideas.


I don't see why you feel the need to play the religous card. [-X

Or perhaps you meant 'devoid' :lol:

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The cold light of day tells me some god awful anachronism of the past is going to be £15K richer during the next few weeks.


Is this a private joke?

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Thank you for your input TDO.

The offers are quite fabulous aren't they :wink:

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Is that GA away licking his wounds I wonder? :roll: A little identity crises on the horizon perhaps :lol: :lol:

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