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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:57 pm 
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On behalf of all the delta drivers... Well it's not on mine and the majority if not all of the other drivers behalf...


No, of course you and 'the majority if not all the other drivers' would much rather pay double or triple for their licence fees. You'd all prefer reduced hours for renewing badges and plates, you'd like one premises instead of two, you'd like more officers pushing pens behind counters instead of tackling piracy out on the road, you'd like queues out the door and round the block like it used to be back in the Irlam Rd premises before Sefton got their act together. Why not write all these magnificent aspirations into the constitution of a new 'shoot yourselves in the foot' trade group so that you and your buddies can lobby the council for a better future?
Hello Paul, the point being was if you wanna kiss the councils arse as usual then feel free but don't have the arrogant cheek to do it on our behalf. As for queues round the block in Irlam road then it never was the case, the only reason it ever looked full was for the amount of people standing at the back waiting to do the knowledge so that then they could join you. Talking of taking penpushers out on the road for enforcement then that equates to a big fat zero. You should know that Paul because it's your operators that warn of officers on the prowl and the only warnings are aboutLiverpool officers.

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deltastaff wrote:
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the root of the problem is SMBC's greed


What greed? Where do you get this idea from that SMBC make more money from having more drivers... are you making this up as you go along??? It doesn't matter whether SMBC licenses 20, 200 or 2000 drivers, they never make a penny, as they charge only what it costs to deliver their licensing portfolio. Thanks to the efforts of your operator (Delta), you enjoy the best deal from any licensing authority in this country, and you're slagging them off and berating anyone who passes on credit where it's due?
O.K Paul I stand corrected, I'll go back to blaming you for all the greed.

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The figures do not include bookings which are entered then cancelled before dispatch, or bookings which are entered, dispatched and then cancelled before arrival. But if a booking is entered, dispatched and the vehicle arrives at the pick-up location, our report counts it as a job even if the driver doesn't get mobile. So the figures do include no-shows (bogeys) which these days average between 2 and 3%. Our bogeys used to average between 4 and 5% many years ago but with better staff training and improved technology such as Ring On Approach and Screen-popping (where the CLI of the customer generates an on-screen address) we have been able to maintain the current low of 2-3%. Of course that average is misleading, as a driver working quiet days may do 20 jobs one day with not one bogey (0% rate) whilst a pub-and-club-night-driver might get 3 bogeys out of 6 bookings and go home with frustration (50% rate), but the average across the fleet is the one we use as a key performance indicator and that's currently 2-3%.

The same complication arises when looking at driver numbers (or jobs per driver). There's about 1680 drivers currently registered at Delta but typically 10% are off the road in any one week for holidays, illness, car trouble, disciplinary suspensions etc. Some of our working drivers with major financial commitments might batter the road at the most unsociable (and hence profitable) hours and take 200 jobs/week off the system. Some of our more senior drivers however (who haven't worked those kind of shifts for perhaps 20 years or more) are now pretty much semi-retired, with no mortgage left to pay, their car is paid for, their kids and grand-kids are all working. They can afford to pootle about of a daytime through the week and take only 50-60 jobs a week off the system. The range of work from one extreme to the other might leave the fleet with an average of 115 jobs/wk but that's not to say every driver does 115 jobs/wk.

Taxi drivers can either earn a decent living or work sociable hours, they can't do both! Some drivers (like Dagger) will no doubt fit their hours around their bread-winning wife. Unfortunately, we can't generate customers to the same timetable. Many of our drivers who started on nights then slipped onto days have found since the recession they have had to go back on nights again to make their money. A change in hours, a change in company, or even a change in local authority or working area, are always options for professional taxi drivers, whereas the same cannot be said for the many factory, construction and retail workers for example who simply woke up one morning without a job.

If, as 'Dagger' suggests, there is so much unrest amongst drivers for the poor return on their £85/wk circuit fees, then now might be the perfect time for them to start a nice little £50/wk co-operative of driver-focused owners... and instead of using market forces to encourage drivers to work when they're needed, they can all draw straws...
Doing an 80 hour week around my BREAD WIINING 9 -5 wife suggest them 80 are rather unsociable hours don't you Paul, Are you saying you cannot generate enough customers for unsociable hours Paul or are you presuming my hours are 9:10 to 3:15, in your alleged quite times when drivers are getting six jobs an hour, now I think your making it up as you go along Paul because 40 minute waits in between jobs doesn't add up to six jobs an hour.

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That's the only advertising our PH are allowed


Precisely, they are allowed, i.e. the conditions of licence in your area permit this. The conditions of licence in Liverpool do not.

I wasn't questioning the condition itself, merely the 'selectivity' of which conditions officers were choosing to enforce. Councillors are voted in to decide conditions, officers are paid licence fees to enforce these conditions. If we're talking value for money, then surely officers should enforce ALL the conditions, not just the palatable ones.


Perhaps with limited time and resources they have selected the conditions that are considered more of a risk to the public. Personally I'd say pirating by private hire is one of the biggest risks considering there are so god damn many of them doing it in Liverpool. As a transport provider you can't deny that public safety is a priority :-|

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...just make sure there's only one large office for one large fleet and you maintain maximum efficiency.


Economies of scale, innit? :D

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Absolutely. If I say on this site that 'SEFTON OFFERS THE BEST LICENSING DEAL FOR DRIVERS', I'm expressing an opinion, not an evidential fact.


In my opinion :roll: you're proferring objective fact rather than mere opinion here, but if it's not purely objective then it's certainly closer to that than a mere opinion.

And, indeed, your precise words that I questioned were:

Thanks to the efforts of your operator (Delta), you enjoy the best deal from any licensing authority in this country

Which is even closer to stating an objective fact than your other statement.

By the way, why are you here taking all the credit, whereas sometimes you're heaping all the praise onto SMBC?

That's why I no more trust corporate spiel than I trust local authorities and politicians. The message proferred depends on the audience.

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Sefton licensing committees have historically tended towards COMMON SENSE rather than TRADE UNION PROTECTIONISM


So you don't like profiteering and protectionism, but what about SMBC's restricted taxi numbers policy? :-k

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Sefton licensing committees have historically tended towards COMMON SENSE rather than TRADE UNION PROTECTIONISM


So you don't like profiteering and protectionism, but what about SMBC's restricted taxi numbers policy? :-k


Just when I was thinking you werent all bad, you prove yourself to be a t***.

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Sefton licensing committees have historically tended towards COMMON SENSE rather than TRADE UNION PROTECTIONISM


So you don't like profiteering and protectionism, but what about SMBC's restricted taxi numbers policy? :-k


Just when I was thinking you werent all bad, you prove yourself to be a t***.

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Well it takes one to know one - sore point? :lol:

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Well it takes one to know one - sore point? :lol:


Not really.....my point is fine, although it worries me that you ask questions about it.

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Just when I was thinking you werent all bad, you prove yourself to be a t***.

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I can't see what's wrong with the question - particularly when PH operators indirectly benefit from the policy by expanding their sector - and I'm sure that Mr Deltastaff would have been more than capable of providing a civilised rebuttal, but as is usual there's always someone who just has to spoil a sensible discussion. :-|

But you have done me a favour in reminding me how pointless it is posting on here, so thanks for that :D

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I can't see what's wrong with the question - particularly when PH operators indirectly benefit from the policy by expanding their sector


I'd be inclined to agree with you if private hire did indeed stop expanding in a de-restricted area, but, they don't. Everything just increases except the work load. It doesn't matter how many taxis and private hire a place has there will only ever be the same average number of trips that people take via taxi or private hire. The only increase in business drivers are likely to see is when there is a special event on. Why is that people believe that just because there are more of taxis or private hire that more trips will be made in them by the public. The public is a creature of habit and the only thing that changes is the company they ring for their taxi. So it's not so much down to market forces it's more down to marketing which I have to say Delta do quite well.

I do however have a question for Deltastaff. The drivers are taking a pretty bad hit at the moment with rising costs and reduced work levels. Has it ever occurred to your company to reduce the settle for a period of time until the trend reverses?

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The drivers are taking a pretty bad hit at the moment with rising costs and reduced work levels.


The staggering sums of money we have re-invested in training, technology and marketing have generated an increase in Delta bookings of 10.5% so far this year. At the same time we have only allowed our drivers to increase by 5.5%. That's not down to a shortage of applicants either, it's wholly due to an increasing bias towards quality over quantity. We could increase our drivers by 100 overnight if we granted an amnesty to problem ex-drivers. We prefer however for such drivers to remain with our competitors, upsetting their customer base and bogging down their credit controllers.

Delta also has a huge number of private hire fleet operators who ONLY hire to Delta drivers. Competition is so fierce amongst them that vehicles are available, fully licensed, maintained and insured for as little as £140 per week. That's £20 cheaper than 6 years ago.

Some taxi companies charge cheap settle, pay cheap wages, don't advertise and they lose work. There have been reports of some UK taxi companies losing as much as 40% of their work since last year. Delta on the other hand charges £3 a week less than its nearest competitor (SRC), we have a waiting list for drivers, and we remain Europe's busiest and fastest growing taxi operation, with some of the longest standing, most experienced and highest paid support staff workers in the business.

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The staggering sums of money we have re-invested in training


How much of that staggering sum was used for driver training?

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Has it ever occurred to your company to reduce the settle for a period of time until the trend reverses?


and seeing as you didn't answer this question either, how's about an answer. Please :D

Also increasing the workload by 10.5% and the drivers by only 5.5% doesn't in fact prove that you have enough work for the drivers to earn a decent living for a decent level of hours worked.

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Competition is so fierce amongst them that vehicles are available, fully licensed, maintained and insured for as little as £140 per week. That's £20 cheaper than 6 years ago.


I think you might find that that is not just down to competition it's also a case of supply and demand. If drivers can't afford the previous £160.00 they will of course shop around and find cheaper, consquently everybody else will have to follow suit :wink: It seems to me that the fleet owners have done the one thing that Delta hasn't and that is to have taken into account the current market and ability of the drivers to pay the higher fees

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we remain Europe's busiest and fastest growing taxi operation, with some of the longest standing, most experienced and highest paid support staff workers in the business


That is indeed something to be proud of and I do genuinely congratulate Delta on thier achievements. Again though these are achievements that Delta wouldn't have if it wasn't for the loyalty of their drivers. Have Delta done anything to say 'thanks lads/lasses' or do they believe it is all down to one or two people and do they think that the drivers 'thank you' is given to them via the work they obtain?

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