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Hi all,

It seems clear from recent postings that the very people who promote having a rigid framework of rules and regulations on cab forums - and I have seen the same elsewhere on the net - are the very same people who are unable to act in a civilised manner themselves.

These people are sufficiently inadequate that when faced with somebody who constructively disagrees with their claims or opinions, they are unable to respond in a reasoned or metered fashion and instead dengrate to insults and threats of personal or legal violence. This is usually coupled with requests to ban anonimity of posters so that the threats may be personalised and who knows, in some cases they may intend carrying them out.

As such, they attempt to create a framework which both requires themselves to follow the rules, at least in so far as they interpret them on a particular occassion, and furthermore to allow them to prevent anybody else from questioning their own judgement.

There will of course always be people who go along with them, whether it be for fear of exclusion, to further their own aims or even because they genuinely agree with these small minded attitudes.

I can only assume that the perpetrators were brought up in a strictly regimented / instituional environment which has left them unable to function as an individual in a civilised society. As such, they must erect artificial barriers in order to appear to fit in with the real world.

Flam3s expected, constructive criticism welcomed!

Regards,

Dave.

Author:	Dave [ Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:38 pm ]
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Hi all, It seems clear from recent postings that the very people who promote having a rigid framework of rules and regulations on cab forums - and I have seen the same elsewhere on the net - are the very same people who are unable to act in a civilised manner themselves. These people are sufficiently inadequate that when faced with somebody who constructively disagrees with their claims or opinions, they are unable to respond in a reasoned or metered fashion and instead dengrate to insults and threats of personal or legal violence. This is usually coupled with requests to ban anonimity of posters so that the threats may be personalised and who knows, in some cases they may intend carrying them out. As such, they attempt to create a framework which both requires themselves to follow the rules, at least in so far as they interpret them on a particular occassion, and furthermore to allow them to prevent anybody else from questioning their own judgement. There will of course always be people who go along with them, whether it be for fear of exclusion, to further their own aims or even because they genuinely agree with these small minded attitudes. I can only assume that the perpetrators were brought up in a strictly regimented / instituional environment which has left them unable to function as an individual in a civilised society. As such, they must erect artificial barriers in order to appear to fit in with the real world. Flam3s expected, constructive criticism welcomed! Regards, Dave.

Author:	Sussex [ Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:45 pm ]
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Couldn't agree with you more Dave. I think.

Author:	Cruisin' Cabby [ Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:38 pm ]
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Dave wrote: Hi all, It seems clear from recent postings that the very people who promote having a rigid framework of rules and regulations on cab forums - and I have seen the same elsewhere on the net - are the very same people who are unable to act in a civilised manner themselves. These people are sufficiently inadequate that when faced with somebody who constructively disagrees with their claims or opinions, they are unable to respond in a reasoned or metered fashion and instead dengrate to insults and threats of personal or legal violence. This is usually coupled with requests to ban anonimity of posters so that the threats may be personalised and who knows, in some cases they may intend carrying them out. As such, they attempt to create a framework which both requires themselves to follow the rules, at least in so far as they interpret them on a particular occassion, and furthermore to allow them to prevent anybody else from questioning their own judgement. There will of course always be people who go along with them, whether it be for fear of exclusion, to further their own aims or even because they genuinely agree with these small minded attitudes. I can only assume that the perpetrators were brought up in a strictly regimented / instituional environment which has left them unable to function as an individual in a civilised society. As such, they must erect artificial barriers in order to appear to fit in with the real world. Flam3s expected, constructive criticism welcomed! Regards, Dave. There is a lot of truth in what you say here Dave. Many of the kind of postings you refer to seem to bring out the very worst in people and a form of bullying runs through their often offensive invective. They seem impervious to reason and just churn out the same diatribe as though anything anyone says to them has no meaning. They seem to want you to take in what they say and choose to ignore what is said in return, except possibly to use it against its author. Your posting was well put and sums up these people very well. I think they know who they are and their replies (if any) will only confirm the position. In some other lists, where a reasonable standard of conduct applies, they are simply, and to my mind quite justifiably so, excluded. This may sound a bit heavy, but surely the other subscribers should not have to put up with or suffer from such unreasonable conduct? They will not always see the offending bits until they have gone half-way through reading the posting. Anyone not happy with the authors of such material could of course just delete all postings from these persons but where does that take the list forward? A Moderator/Administrator's nightmare I suppose and could leave them open to the accusation of hindering the freedom of speech, but where should the line be drawn? Regards, Cruisin' Cabby

Author:	Tom Thumb [ Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:18 pm ]
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Well said Dave.

Author:	Cruisin' Cabby [ Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:56 pm ]
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Tom Thumb wrote: Well said Dave. Dave didn't say it - I did. Regards, Cruisin' Cabby

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Author:	Cruisin' Cabby [ Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:05 pm ]
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Tom Thumb wrote: Well said Dave. But Dave did say something previous to me on this subject, with which I agree, and I suspect it was to that you were referring and not my subsequent comments. It was the fact that you never inserted a quote from him in your posting that made me answer in the way I did. My apologies if you thought I was implying I was the author of the original piece. I wasn't trying to steal his thunder as Dave raised a very poignant issue and was courageous enough to say so. He was right to speak out. Regards, Cruisin' Cabby

Author:	Yorkie [ Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:49 pm ]
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I wish to appologise to the forum, and Mick in particular for saying some things in the space of time I have come to regret things said, many interpretated the wrong way, however It got out of hand and I am sorry. Wharfie

Author:	Alex [ Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:40 pm ]
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From time to time all of us say things that we shouldn't. But those who show regret, are the ones who stand tall. Alex

Author:	Mick [ Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:41 pm ]
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It has been said before on forums such as this that the written word is difficult to interpret the feeling with which points are made. This is very true. I accept Wharfie's appology and offer the same to him, as well as adding my appology to the sites moderators and members. Sites such as these are an amazing oppertunity to gather useful information, its also a great place to make friends but no place to make enemies, we have plenty of oppertunities to do that elsewhere. B. Lucky

Author:	Alex [ Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:47 pm ]
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Alex wrote: From time to time all of us say things that we shouldn't. But those who show regret, are the ones who stand tall. Alex Ditto. Alex

Author:	Claude [ Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:37 am ]
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Mick Pollard wrote: It has been said before on forums such as this that the written word is difficult to interpret the feeling with which points are made. This is very true. I accept Wharfie's appology and offer the same to him, as well as adding my appology to the sites moderators and members. Sites such as these are an amazing oppertunity to gather useful information, its also a great place to make friends but no place to make enemies, we have plenty of oppertunities to do that elsewhere. B. Lucky Have I missed something here. What has been written and what has prompted this love-in? Stewth, lions laying down with lambs. Not for me. My lovely taxi oil will not mix with PH stagnant water. Water that is full of tsetse flies and any amount of foulness. PH bandits. Bandits I say. Claude

Author:	Guest [ Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:26 am ]
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Claude, Your sense of humour is extended beyond previous records. Not to mention your intention to stir up the pot (be it tsetse fly filled water or equally foul diesel oil therein). Don't you know oil's a carcinogen!

Author:	Mick [ Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:15 am ]
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[quote="Claude] Stewth, lions laying down with lambs. Not for me. My lovely taxi oil will not mix with PH stagnant water. Water that is full of tsetse flies and any amount of foulness. PH bandits. Bandits I say. Claude [/quote] Claude mate your "lovely taxi oil" is like my own, Hackney Carriage. I do feel that BOTH sides of the trade need to work together in order for us all to survive, god forbid the trade accross the country deteriates to the level of hatred you promote. B. Lucky

Author:	Claude [ Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:44 am ]
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Mick Pollard wrote: [quote="Claude] Stewth, lions laying down with lambs. Not for me. My lovely taxi oil will not mix with PH stagnant water. Water that is full of tsetse flies and any amount of foulness. PH bandits. Bandits I say. Claude Claude mate your "lovely taxi oil" is like my own, Hackney Carriage. I do feel that BOTH sides of the trade need to work together in order for us all to survive, god forbid the trade accross the country deteriates to the level of hatred you promote. B. Lucky [/quote] ">>"Claude mate your "lovely taxi oil" is like my own, Hackney Carriage."<< Yea you maybe HC this week but what about last month and any months to come- wishy washy switching about! Once you have been bitten by the PH tsetse fly old PH habits come to the surface, like malaria . >>"....work together in order for us all to survive, ..."<<" What a load of rollocks. I have told you before I have no hatred I'm just a pragmatist and I know where my best interest lies. Claude

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Author:	Sussex [ Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:06 pm ]
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Now come on Claude, we all know that really deep down you have a secret desire to drive PH vehicles. Perhaps you could drive one of them, with the blue bum.