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Author:  GBC [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:29 am ]
Post subject:  London's one tier Taxi plan

Well, not quite but Mr A (Thomasthetaxi) thinks so.

In keeping with my promise to be polite, and a little more understanding to his view points, he's given permission for it to be posted on here for discussion.

My own viewpoint is simple, it will never happen in London. :wink:

Anyhow, here is his article:





The word on their lips is HARMONISATION. In the corridors of power at Windsor House, they are making plans for a one tier taxi trade.

They are out to blur the lines between the two trades. In the next two years, they will merge us all in to one big fun loving band of happy cabby's.
They want to get rid of 25,000 self employed Taxi drivers and have us all working for men like Steve Wright and John Griffin. Just look at the radio circuits, they are already in a transitional mode with there fleets of partner mini cabs. We have to get the Mayor firmly on our side.
We need to take action now.

We need stronger leaders who are willing to rock the boat. We have to change the "I'm all right jack" attitude, because very shortly you wont be all right.

TFL/PCO, have shot themselves in the foot with the new Merc taxi, as this vehicle was only licensed to blend us in with the mini cab trade. (Note: Meets the COF :wink: )

They never catered for the fact that LTI may go under in the new year, especially if the class action law suit goes through, this may become the only purpose built Taxi available to us.

We have to make sure, if we are to use this Merc, then the PHV drivers must stop using it and any other similar vehicles.

It says in the 1998 Private Hire Act, that no vehicle, that resembles a Hackney Carriage in any way, can be used as a Private Hire Vehicle, something they have overlooked. The Merc as a Taxi resembles almost all people carriers, should private hire go back to salon cars? or just paint them all bright yellow as in Birmingham.

They passed this act in Parliament, they must be made to abide by it?

If they don't enforce this, then we have to go to the high court.
It would cost about 10 grand to go to court on this issue, that's about 40p from every driver.
Our problem is, there are too many people from outside our trade with too much say in the way we operate. These people are not on our side, never have been and have to be removed. We need a divorce from TFL.
We need to get shot of our enemies who run the PCO.
We need to replace them with educated Taxi drivers, not trade reps.
They have already proved, they cant run anything to our advantage, just look at Mr Oddie;
not a word in eight months on the board of TFL, with all the clipboard men and minicab rank issues hitting the headlines.

Why do they want to Harmonise the Trades?
TFL have for the past couple of years been implementing the old mayors policy of Equality and Inclusion, E&I to those in power. Under this system we have seen a watering down of the knowledge with handouts to anyone from an ethnic back ground in the form of mopeds, safety equipment and fuel allowances. Plus we now see wheelchair bound, disabled Taxi drivers. Very helpful to other wheelchair users or people with luggage, what happened to being a fit and proper person?
Ken Livingstone and his henchman Peter Hendy always said the London Licensed taxi Trade did not reflect the diversity of this city. The same could be said of the Private hire trade that is made up almost entirely from people with an ethnic back ground and people with English as a second language. Perhaps this is why they wanted to blend the two trades together.

It only ever worried Ken and Peter who said "The London Taxi Trade is too White, too Male and to English, no one else commented or seemed to care and why should they, after all its not a monopoly, anyone can sign on and do the knowledge but only the very best get through. Surly that's what you need to find, the very best cabby's, to serve the very best city in the world. Who wants to be referred to as one of Kens substandard cabby's.

This situation can only get worse under TFL rule, this is why we need to brake away as soon as possible.

Author:  wannabeeahack [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:45 am ]
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this says taxi

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if councils allowed PRIVATE hire vehicles 100% anonymity there would be no confusion

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: London's one tier Taxi plan

GBC wrote:
They want to get rid of 25,000 self employed Taxi drivers and have us all working for men like Steve Wright and John Griffin.

Utter tosh.

That said, I would say the customers of the two gents mentioned will, in the main, receive a far better service than that offered by many in the cab trade.

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: London's one tier Taxi plan

GBC wrote:
Just look at the radio circuits, they are already in a transitional mode with there fleets of partner mini cabs. We have to get the Mayor firmly on our side.

Isn't one of the main cab firms that use PH owned by the drivers?

So when you say they, you actually mean we. :shock:

Author:  wannabeeahack [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:56 am ]
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Quote:
It only ever worried Ken and Peter who said "The London Taxi Trade is too White, too Male and to English"



pity its not up here..............

Author:  GBC [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: London's one tier Taxi plan

Sussex wrote:
GBC wrote:
Just look at the radio circuits, they are already in a transitional mode with there fleets of partner mini cabs. We have to get the Mayor firmly on our side.

Isn't one of the main cab firms that use PH owned by the drivers?

So when you say they, you actually mean we. :shock:



You mean Dial a Cab.

It is, but most of them don't seem to bother, as the Chairman says: it gains them more work as their Minicab partner suffers from a lack of drivers during the busy times.

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: London's one tier Taxi plan

GBC wrote:
It is, but most of them don't seem to bother, as the Chairman says: it gains them more work as their Minicab partner suffers from a lack of drivers during the busy times.

But if they didn't cover the PH reject work then those customers might use cabs all the time, not just when it's busy.

Author:  GBC [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:36 pm ]
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Probably, I'll never know, everytime I get near a 'radio' I change my mind.

It wasn't meant to be.

Author:  toots [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:48 pm ]
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I don't see the problem in making the taxi system a single tier. You either are a taxi or your not. It shouldn't matter how you obtain your work. Providing that all taxi drivers have the same qualifications and pass all the same tests (which should not be made easier because the minicab trade and HC will be one). IMO it should be the case throughout the country. A taxi is a taxi end of. What vehicles are to be used as taxis should be discussed between the trade in the area and the LA considering the needs of the people they represent.

Author:  acabbie [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:16 pm ]
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toots wrote:
I don't see the problem in making the taxi system a single tier. You either are a taxi or your not.


I have no qualms about a single tier system, sadly the powers that be would prefer to dumb down the whole industry rather than make ALL drivers taxi drivers and make all potential drivers do the knowledge.

Hopefully it shall never come to anything like that as i would hope if the idea was ever seriously mooted then the trade organisations as well as the many drivers who sit on the fat behinds would get off ther a*ses and fight it.

:roll:

Author:  MR T [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:47 pm ]
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toots wrote:
I don't see the problem in making the taxi system a single tier. You either are a taxi or your not. It shouldn't matter how you obtain your work. Providing that all taxi drivers have the same qualifications and pass all the same tests (which should not be made easier because the minicab trade and HC will be one). IMO it should be the case throughout the country. A taxi is a taxi end of. What vehicles are to be used as taxis should be discussed between the trade in the area and the LA considering the needs of the people they represent.
toots. A Taxi is a taxi and private hire vehicles are private hire.... and people who tried to confuse the general public that private hire are taxis should know better. to confuse the public put's them at risk... the Hackney Trade continuously tries to educate the public..... whereas other people try to confuse them... there by placing them at risk ...

Author:  toots [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:07 pm ]
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MR T wrote:
toots wrote:
I don't see the problem in making the taxi system a single tier. You either are a taxi or your not. It shouldn't matter how you obtain your work. Providing that all taxi drivers have the same qualifications and pass all the same tests (which should not be made easier because the minicab trade and HC will be one). IMO it should be the case throughout the country. A taxi is a taxi end of. What vehicles are to be used as taxis should be discussed between the trade in the area and the LA considering the needs of the people they represent.
toots. A Taxi is a taxi and private hire vehicles are private hire.... and people who tried to confuse the general public that private hire are taxis should know better. to confuse the public put's them at risk... the Hackney Trade continuously tries to educate the public..... whereas other people try to confuse them... there by placing them at risk ...


Ok I'm a Private Hire Driver. I don't drive a limo so I'm not a limo driver, I don't drive a coach so I'm not a coach driver or bus driver or fun party type vehicle in fact the only vehicle I drive has a licence for PH taxi work. I'm insured for private hire taxi work and apart from the method by which I obtain my work I do exactly the same job as a HC. As I have said before just because I drive a saloon vehicle and not some ugly black thing that is not renound for it's comfort for either the driver or the passenger that does not make me any less of a taxi driver than anybody else. I have passed a knowledge test, I have a good crb report, I have customer care training from previous work, I have passed the naffy btec, the following NVQ level II and I am now an assessor for same. Could you please explain to me why I should not consider myself a taxi driver or is it just PC cr*p again. Also could you explain to me why I would be considered any more a risk to the public just because I am PH do people who drive HC polish their halos every morning :wink:

I have to say that I believe the confusion starts when HC's turn up at houses when the person rang for a PH and was expecting a saloon vehicle

Author:  David2428 [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:16 pm ]
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toots wrote:
MR T wrote:
toots wrote:
Could you please explain to me why I should not consider myself a taxi driver


In London upwards of 156 weeks hard labour on a C90, thats why!

Author:  toots [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:04 am ]
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David2428 wrote:
toots wrote:
MR T wrote:
toots wrote:
Could you please explain to me why I should not consider myself a taxi driver


In London upwards of 156 weeks hard labour on a C90, thats why!


Are you suggesting that the only people here entitled to call themselves taxi drivers are from London cos they rode around on little scooters for however long it takes them to learn the Knowledge :shock:

Author:  MR T [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:37 am ]
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At least you realise you are a private hire driver, private hire companies have been misrepresenting themselves as Taxis for quite a number of years, it has enabled them to enter a ready built market. but Joe Bloggs the general public normally does not know the difference, so when he hails a private hire vehicle on the street which he thinks is a taxi and is illegally picked up ..... that certainly is not the fault of a hackney driver ..... if you have become an assessor for the NVQ level 2 and don't know the difference it places a rather large question mark over the credibility of this qualification and the people teaching it

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