The national limousine association tried to get the education department to do this years ago. It never happened. By the way, proms have been being booked since September or earlier in some cases.
There were a couple of proms in December.
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:02 pm ] |
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As school prom nights will be starting to book limos for the end of the school years in july anytime now, how about a campaign whereby every school and education department gets a letter laying out the facts and best procedure for booking transport? pretty basic, keep it simple so even teachers understand it.... (i.e. 8 or less is it plated/driver badged, over 8 is it vosa/bus etc regs) lets spike the guns now.... |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:25 pm ] |
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just had LA educations R&R's on pupil transport, about 100 pages, isnt it odd that the school is happy to book a venue for the prom night, but thier safety to and from isnt a concern... Duty of care, whats that? |
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| Author: | grandad [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:08 pm ] |
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The national limousine association tried to get the education department to do this years ago. It never happened. By the way, proms have been being booked since September or earlier in some cases. There were a couple of proms in December.
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| Author: | steve select [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If you dont like "Limo's"............ |
wannabeeahack wrote: As school prom nights will be starting to book limos for the end of the school years in july anytime now, how about a campaign whereby every school and education department gets a letter laying out the facts and best procedure for booking transport?
pretty basic, keep it simple so even teachers understand it.... (i.e. 8 or less is it plated/driver badged, over 8 is it vosa/bus etc regs) lets spike the guns now.... Have been trying this locally for a couple of years and gave up in the end. the schools just don't want to know, they don't think it's their responsibility! Try ringing a few local schools to see if they are holding a "prom fayre" Once you have found one, ask what they do to prevent unlicensed vehicles (not just limos, but trucks, wedding cars, unlicensed exec cars, 'neighbors with nice company cars' ice cream vans YES ice cream vans) attending and you will have a shock. They say it is not their concern 
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:05 pm ] |
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how would you sum up (for the over educated types) the relevent licensing for +8 passengers? vosa? bus? COIF? upto 8 its easy "taxi" - ish.... |
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| Author: | grandad [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:18 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: how would you sum up (for the over educated types) the relevent licensing for +8 passengers?
vosa? bus? COIF? upto 8 its easy "taxi" - ish.... This has been covered many, many times before. It is very straight forward. To carry more than 8 passengers for hire or reward requires a VOSA "o" license, A COIF for the vehicle and a PCV license for the driver. Quite simple really isn't it. However, a limo with more than 8 seats can be hired as self drive and then driven by a chauffeur who has been employed by the person hireing the vehicle and not supplied by the company providing the vehicle. It is no good shooting me down for pointing it out again. Just because some people on here think it is illegal doesn't mean that it is. |
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| Author: | cabbyman [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:33 am ] |
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grandad wrote: However, a limo with more than 8 seats can be hired as self drive and then driven by a chauffeur who has been employed by the person hireing the vehicle and not supplied by the company providing the vehicle.
You imply that none of them require anything more than normal insurance and DVLA licensing. Let's get this down to single syllable, simple words that no one can misinterpret (including me!!)....... |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:20 am ] |
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grandad wrote: This has been covered many, many times before. It is very straight forward. To carry more than 8 passengers for hire or reward requires a VOSA "o" license, A COIF for the vehicle and a PCV license for the driver. Quite simple really isn't it.
To the nearest 50, how many 9 or over seated Limos have COIFs, other than the fancy buses?
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:21 am ] |
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grandad wrote: However, a limo with more than 8 seats can be hired as self drive and then driven by a chauffeur who has been employed by the person hireing the vehicle and not supplied by the company providing the vehicle.
Does the Welsh TC agree with that?
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| Author: | grandad [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:05 am ] |
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cabbyman wrote: grandad wrote: However, a limo with more than 8 seats can be hired as self drive and then driven by a chauffeur who has been employed by the person hireing the vehicle and not supplied by the company providing the vehicle. You imply that none of them require anything more than normal insurance and DVLA licensing. Let's get this down to single syllable, simple words that no one can misinterpret (including me!!)....... I am not impling anything. I am stating fact. Go down to any vehicle rental place and ask about renting say a 16 seat minibus for self drive and see what you need. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:07 am ] |
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Sussex wrote: grandad wrote: However, a limo with more than 8 seats can be hired as self drive and then driven by a chauffeur who has been employed by the person hireing the vehicle and not supplied by the company providing the vehicle. Does the Welsh TC agree with that? We all know that the people who have been done in Wales were not doing it right. I think you will find that they were trying to cut corners with regard to the driver.
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:13 pm ] |
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i thought only "voluntary" minibus drivers (+8 pax) could drive without passing a D1 test if ANY money changes hands ( PAYE wages inclued) then the 101 restriction is being breached and the vehicle would be uninsured so "hiring" the self drive limo (wouldnt that indicate the HIRER was to drive?) then HIRING the driver breaches D1 101 regs.... |
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| Author: | grandad [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:36 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: i thought only "voluntary" minibus drivers (+8 pax) could drive without passing a D1 test
if ANY money changes hands ( PAYE wages inclued) then the 101 restriction is being breached and the vehicle would be uninsured so "hiring" the self drive limo (wouldnt that indicate the HIRER was to drive?) then HIRING the driver breaches D1 101 regs.... If you say so. 
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| Author: | JD [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:53 pm ] |
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grandad wrote: We all know that the people who have been done in Wales were not doing it right. I think you will find that they were trying to cut corners with regard to the driver. Isn't there a limo case scheduled for this month? Regards JD |
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| Author: | cabbyman [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:50 pm ] |
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grandad wrote: cabbyman wrote: grandad wrote: However, a limo with more than 8 seats can be hired as self drive and then driven by a chauffeur who has been employed by the person hireing the vehicle and not supplied by the company providing the vehicle. You imply that none of them require anything more than normal insurance and DVLA licensing. Let's get this down to single syllable, simple words that no one can misinterpret (including me!!)....... I am not impling anything. I am stating fact. Go down to any vehicle rental place and ask about renting say a 16 seat minibus for self drive and see what you need. Thank you. Now I understand. I told you I wanted it simple!! 
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