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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: limo warning

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would this cover it?

How to ensure you have booked a legal vehicle

simply ask the firm who they are licensed by

upto 8 seats - requires a local authority plate and badged driver
8-16 seats requires a "COIF",a VOSA ops licence and a D1 badged driver

9-16 seaters of any type are classed as minibuses
(for the present weddings and funerals are exempt)
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I know a hackney operator with a "taxi" ops licence can run 2 x 9-16 seaters without a vosa o-licence as "occasional/not main course of business" though

wannabeeahack wrote:

I know a hackney operator with a "taxi" ops licence can run 2 x 9-16 seaters without a vosa o-licence as "occasional/not main course of business" though

Since when? He would still need a restricted PCV operators license. And in England at least a hackney operator does not need an operators license.
I think you had better leave the limo licensing issue to someone else.

grandad wrote:

wannabeeahack wrote:

I know a hackney operator with a "taxi" ops licence can run 2 x 9-16 seaters without a vosa o-licence as "occasional/not main course of business" though

trust me, if i hadnt been told it i wouldnt have repeated it

i had emails off DVLA and VOSA on the subject and also about D1 101 removal tests

i shall ask again, as i didnt keep the emails

Yes as it says you would need a restricted "O" license. This would of course not mean that with a restricted "O" license you, or anybody could run 16 seat limousines, which is what a few limo ops think they can. The vehicle would still need to have a COIF before it could carry over 8 passengers for hire or reward. You could run 2 minibuses with upto 16 seats on a restricted "O" license if they have a COIF which most proper mini buses do. Some limos have been registered as mini buses.

No sorry again, psv drivers don't have badges or crb checks.

They went out with "on the buses" :wink:

It doesn't matter what you put because at the end of the day the punter doesn't care if the vehicle is licensed or not. I get calls all the time and it doesn't matter what I say to people for instance if they ask for a 16 seat Hummer, I have now given up telling them the legal bits and bobs because they just say they want a Hummer. You get them also saying there are 9 in the party but one is very small so that will be ok for the 8 seater won't it?
All you will do if you decide to put something down on paper is end up getting in trouble for putting something down that is not correct.

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:34 am ]
Post subject:	limo warning
would this cover it? How to ensure you have booked a legal vehicle simply ask the firm who they are licensed by upto 8 seats - requires a local authority plate and badged driver 8-16 seats requires a "COIF",a VOSA ops licence and a D1 badged driver 9-16 seaters of any type are classed as minibuses (for the present weddings and funerals are exempt)

Author:	grandad [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:39 am ]
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No sorry that won't cover it. You forgot restricted PCV licensing. Also simply asking the firm if they are licensed will not cover anything. They will just say yes. You would need to be prepared to actually do some follow up checks. Most punters can't be bothered. The same with taxis and private hire. The punter will never check the license details.

Author:	no tips [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:49 am ]
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Quote: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: limo warning -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- would this cover it? How to ensure you have booked a legal vehicle simply ask the firm who they are licensed by upto 8 seats - requires a local authority plate and badged driver 8-16 seats requires a "COIF",a VOSA ops licence and a D1 badged driver 9-16 seaters of any type are classed as minibuses (for the present weddings and funerals are exempt) _________________ All have to have a oporaters license issued either by Vosa or a Council except wedding ,funeral cars. So a punter should ask to see the oporaters license or be told the issue number

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:54 pm ]
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can anyone come up with a concise suggestion? "ask to see the drivers badge" (HC/PH/SE or Bus will suffice.........)

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:21 pm ]
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grandad wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: I know a hackney operator with a "taxi" ops licence can run 2 x 9-16 seaters without a vosa o-licence as "occasional/not main course of business" though Since when? He would still need a restricted PCV operators license. And in England at least a hackney operator does not need an operators license. I think you had better leave the limo licensing issue to someone else. trust me, if i hadnt been told it i wouldnt have repeated it i had emails off DVLA and VOSA on the subject and also about D1 101 removal tests i shall ask again, as i didnt keep the emails

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Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:48 pm ]
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I know a hackney operator with a "taxi" ops licence can run 2 x 9-16 seaters without a vosa o-licence as "occasional/not main course of business" though

Author:	grandad [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:14 pm ]
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wannabeeahack wrote: I know a hackney operator with a "taxi" ops licence can run 2 x 9-16 seaters without a vosa o-licence as "occasional/not main course of business" though Since when? He would still need a restricted PCV operators license. And in England at least a hackney operator does not need an operators license. I think you had better leave the limo licensing issue to someone else.

Author:	grandad [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:26 pm ]
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wannabeeahack wrote: grandad wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: I know a hackney operator with a "taxi" ops licence can run 2 x 9-16 seaters without a vosa o-licence as "occasional/not main course of business" though Since when? He would still need a restricted PCV operators license. And in England at least a hackney operator does not need an operators license. I think you had better leave the limo licensing issue to someone else. trust me, if i hadnt been told it i wouldnt have repeated it i had emails off DVLA and VOSA on the subject and also about D1 101 removal tests i shall ask again, as i didnt keep the emails I would ask again. I was told the moon was made out of cheese but I since found out that it isn't.

Author:	grandad [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:37 pm ]
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Yes as it says you would need a restricted "O" license. This would of course not mean that with a restricted "O" license you, or anybody could run 16 seat limousines, which is what a few limo ops think they can. The vehicle would still need to have a COIF before it could carry over 8 passengers for hire or reward. You could run 2 minibuses with upto 16 seats on a restricted "O" license if they have a COIF which most proper mini buses do. Some limos have been registered as mini buses.

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:43 pm ]
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grandad wrote: Yes as it says you would need a restricted "O" license. This would of course not mean that with a restricted "O" license you, or anybody could run 16 seat limousines, which is what a few limo ops think they can. The vehicle would still need to have a COIF before it could carry over 8 passengers for hire or reward. You could run 2 minibuses with upto 16 seats on a restricted "O" license if they have a COIF which most proper mini buses do. Some limos have been registered as mini buses. how about How to ensure you have booked a legal vehicle simply ask to see the drivers badge from either a local authority (council) or the bus driver licensing service Vosa, any badged driver is reqired by law to wear it Dont end up walking home

Author:	grandad [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:56 pm ]
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No sorry again, psv drivers don't have badges or crb checks.

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:01 pm ]
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grandad wrote: No sorry again, psv drivers don't have badges or crb checks. so suggest something then the old midland red drivers wore badges i remember them well

Author:	grandad [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:10 pm ]
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They went out with "on the buses" It doesn't matter what you put because at the end of the day the punter doesn't care if the vehicle is licensed or not. I get calls all the time and it doesn't matter what I say to people for instance if they ask for a 16 seat Hummer, I have now given up telling them the legal bits and bobs because they just say they want a Hummer. You get them also saying there are 9 in the party but one is very small so that will be ok for the 8 seater won't it? All you will do if you decide to put something down on paper is end up getting in trouble for putting something down that is not correct.

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:35 pm ]
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grandad wrote: They went out with "on the buses" It doesn't matter what you put because at the end of the day the punter doesn't care if the vehicle is licensed or not. I get calls all the time and it doesn't matter what I say to people for instance if they ask for a 16 seat Hummer, I have now given up telling them the legal bits and bobs because they just say they want a Hummer. You get them also saying there are 9 in the party but one is very small so that will be ok for the 8 seater won't it? All you will do if you decide to put something down on paper is end up getting in trouble for putting something down that is not correct. same here, ive a minibus so i can carry 20 cant i

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:28 pm ]
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the one they sent me was a "Special restricted operators licence" i think http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/t ... htm#P6_183 Will my vehicles be restricted to being used to operate local services? No. They may be used to operate other types of taxi service when they are not being used on a local service. But while being used on a local service they must not ply for exclusive hire or pick up passengers waiting at taxi ranks but must operate the local service as registered. Back Is it worth applying for any other kind of PSV operator’s licence? Yes, a restricted PSV operator’s licence will let you run 2 vehicles with up to 8 passenger seats as PSVs (but not as taxis) as well as your taxi(s), and if the bulk of your earnings will still be from taxi operation, you may be granted a restricted licence for 2 PSVs with up to 16 passenger seats. But you must first satisfy the Traffic Commissioner that you are of good repute, appropriate financial standing, can maintain your vehicles properly and obey all parts of PSV law. You should read Part 1 of this guide for more information.

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