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Can somebody help,an Unmet Survey,how is it conducted,what is the general format,and who undertakes these surveys.
In the Isle of Man we are having problems with delimitation,the licensing committee have their views on how it should be conducted,but we think asking the general public is not the answer, can anybody give us some idea what is the best way to show how you do it in the uk.
we have 205 taxis and 91 private hire for a population of 76315.

Gerry

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G. L. O'Hare

It might be worth you reading this one from Durham.

http://www.durhamcity.gov.uk/pdf/licens ... report.pdf

It gives a rough idea of what will happen if your manor does survey demand, because most surveyor use the same formula. The bits that matter are the peaks, and when they happen.

However this one, nor any other that I've seen for that matter, doesn't include the 'latent demand' factor. In other words the formula only took account of customers waiting at ranks.

Whereas any new formula will have to take account of customer's views.

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IDFIMH

It would seem that there is now another way that surveyors can determine SUD, and that's via a computer.

According to this Salford Council report, http://www2.salford.gov.uk/solar_docume ... 30904X.DOC
it looks like three of the four firms tendering are going to assess SUD via the LO's information.

Still as Salford have never ever surveyed SUD, I think I could give them the answer for a tenner.

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IDFIMH

Sussex this bloody site keeps clocking me out, I get [edited by admin] off writing 2 or 3 times!

Jerry
I provided information and surveys to the Isle of Man government a couple of years back.

Survers are constructed from ranlks by times and cab waits timed and passenger waits timed, except for 1-2 am anything over a 10 minute wait is deamed significant unmet demand.

they then work out how many taxis would be provided to reduce the waiting time bellow 10 minutes.

they then have a street interview with people, and consult people like health and social services

its important to note 2 things

1 taxi drivers or owners are not consulted as the notes to the law state that " they only see the demand they meet"

2 versus Brighton council the judge ruled that "12 till 2 figures can be ignored as it would be unreasonable for taxi drivers to work those times"

in local law also applicants wanting taxi licenses for special services like those in section 10 (single fares) the council must proove that if the licenses were issued demand would not be forthcomming.

Sussex refers to sud or sudden unmet demand, since an oft report these expressions have been prooved to be the crap they are, to bamboosle courts and fiddle true findings of surveys.

What they forget to mention is the effect deregulation has on drivers earnings. I could go on but I won't.

no Nigel, drivers earnings is not part of the question.

it was not forgotten that more taxis delivering efficient service increases earnings

I know but they should be. How can you deliver a decent service when there are to many cars out on the road?

by breaking from the pack
the times I see taxis idle on rank, when the station trains come in either me or nobody bingo comming out take aways

the list is endless but what do most do? race to the back of over provided ranks.

I'm sorry but we must have continuity within argument.

More taxis mean higher earnings complete nonsence THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TAXIS MEANS HIGHER EARNINGS.

The very reason "yorkie" advises "breaking from the pack" is because there are to many taxis on the ranks, how then can he argue that more should be licensed.

Bollox
there isnt such a thing as right amount of taxis what racket are you in?
if you go to many towns if you go say the cinema or local entertainment there are always taxis outside and builds a culture to give people confidence of going out knowing there is transport home

when I go to the casino there are always lines of taxis, indeed would usually get one, alas comming home it is always a long walk, as I stay for a spin of the wheel to many.

paperlad you are too idle to make money

Yorkie, I'm not playing games, if you state that drivers should seek work at places other than those adopted by the council as Taxi Ranks claiming, is over provision not the same as to many.

You then go on so we can take it that there is a taxi rank outside the Casino, as if there isn't the "endless list" you refer to earlier must be reduced.

I have no problem getting taxis, look for work in places other than HC ranks cause there are always loads of taxis there, BUT there isn't enough taxis and more should be put on. Can you not see how your argument FOR delimitation can be percieved to be flawed at worst and confused at best.

It maybe also prudent for your argument if your posts actually contained proper sentences, or are they in some kind of code to perpetuate your "game".

Charle
your argument is brand new, restrict taxis to protect the private hire trade

thats Bollox

if you cannot have open entry and survive, leave

Whoa there Yorkie mate ...... what about a drivers freedom of choice, I suspect you don't stand with Sussex on that point.

I'm not saying there should be restrictions across the country, my area in fact initially benefited from delimitation 5 years ago but things have now just gone to far mate, the swing of unmet demand has now gone full circle, where people used to struggle to get HC from the pubs and nightclubs they now struggle to get either HC or PH to the pubs and nightclubs. Is this right, does this benefit the consumer........ I don't think so.

Its a joke when people try to protect quotas in areas where so few HC licenses are available, I read on here about Durham City, a large University City, with so few taxis that 100 extra drivers are licensed than vehicles, 55 taxis for any city is a joke anyway. An unmet demand survey is held and 9 extra plates are recommended, 64 HC for a big City our town centre and population is significantly smaller and yet currently licence 300 HC. These plate holders should bow their heads in shame for requesting retention of the quotas.

All I’m asking for Yorkie is that councils properly investigate the exact consumer demand, if those investigations lead a council to triple the numbers of HC plates then so be it, you will get no argument from me, but to just delimit without evaluating consumer need is tantamount to neglect ion of their duties as far as I’m concerned.

as I have said b4 many things have changed and are changing.

one thing changing is that taxi drivers very busy dont want to take loud mouth [edited by admin] heads home and yes I hold my hand up, I am one of them.

as for surveys I dont believe them, they are not a fare commentry of the state of the town.

councils know less about our trade as the days go by.

we now need to work on safer, more profitable ways of taking the people home.

thats not achieved by paying 20,000 plus premiums.

I really don't know why you bother responding to this paper guy yorkie, it is patently obvious that he lacks understanding of the Taxi trade. He has a right to put his point of view but you don't have to give him credence by replying to his posts. If he ever comes back with something meaningfull to say then perhaps you can treat him as stable individial but until he proves he is of sound mind I would give him a wide berth.

Best wishes

JD