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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | No Room For Union Flag On The British Identity Card |
No Room For Union Flag as Alan Johnson Unveils The British Identity Card Design chosen to reflect rights of non-UK nationals Welsh language version ruled out for lack of space Thursday 30 July 2009 The union flag has been left off the final design for the British national identity card unveiled today in order to respect the "identity rights'' of Irish nationals living in Northern Ireland. The Home Office has deliberately avoided the use of flags, including that of the European Union, which features on British driving licences, on the new ID card in an effort to reflect all the nations of the United Kingdom. Instead the card is to contain the royal coat of arms and "a floral pattern representing the four floral emblems of the UK: the shamrock, daffodil, thistle and rose". A Home Office spokesman explained that this design reflected "themes of Britishness and aspects of UK history". But critics said the decision only served to underline how the ID card scheme forced people to choose between the multiple identities that make up modern Britain. The card, unveiled by the home secretary, Alan Johnson, includes a photograph, name, date of birth, birthplace, nationality and signature on its face. The Home Office says it will contain "similar information" to that currently included in a passport, as well as a photograph and fingerprints encoded on a secure electronic chip to link the owner to their biometric identity. Irish citizens living in Northern Ireland will be invited to register on the British national identity card database but this will not preclude them from applying for an Irish passport. They will be issued with an "identification card" – a different version of the British citizen's card which will not record an individual's nationality and so cannot be used as travel document around Europe. An impact assessment of the next phase of the ID card scheme slipped out without publicity in May said the design "recognised fully the identity rights of the people of Northern Ireland as laid out in the Belfast agreement. We are seeking to design the national identity service so that it is open to everyone who has the right to live in the United Kingdom – whether they are British, Irish or a national from another country." The official assessment says: "While some symbols have been included within the card's design to indicate that the document has been issued by the UK government, we have sought to design features which can reflect all parts of the United Kingdom, such as the inclusion of the shamrock, to represent Ireland within the tactile feature, and we have sought to avoid symbols such as flags." The Home Office has also made efforts to take into consideration cultural differences in Wales. It will be possible to apply in Welsh, but for space reasons there will be no bilingual version of the first wave of cards. Work continues on how the design of the card can accommodate additional text in Welsh and still meet international standards for the design of travel documents. Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said ID cards had been unpopular for so long that few remembered their genesis. "They were part of a clumsy cohesion agenda to unite us around flags rather than values. They were to fight the multiple identities that make up modern Britain by forcing us to choose between the various ties that bind us. Ironically, in forgetting the very 'un-Britishness' of ID cards, the government has united the country against them." Source; guardian.co.uk |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:15 am ] |
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Why is the Labour goverment wasting time like this when they will be in opposition this time next year? |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:30 am ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: Why is the Labour goverment wasting time like this when they will be in opposition this time next year?
Its Nulabs way to punish the electorate in the same way as a man or woman creates mischief for their ex partner once they have become disloyal and leaves them...its basically just sour grapes. 
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:30 am ] |
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Id support ID cards, and would support the inclusion of the appropriate flag (St George, St Andrews, Ddraig Goch* or St Patrick) on it, Gordie cant support devolution and then ban the flags.... ** Ddraig (dragon) goch (red) |
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| Author: | toots [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:48 am ] |
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bloodnock wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: Why is the Labour goverment wasting time like this when they will be in opposition this time next year? Its Nulabs way to punish the electorate in the same way as a man or woman creates mischief for their ex partner once they have become disloyal and leaves them...its basically just sour grapes. I hope this isn't the voice of experience 
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:12 pm ] |
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toots wrote: bloodnock wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: Why is the Labour goverment wasting time like this when they will be in opposition this time next year? Its Nulabs way to punish the electorate in the same way as a man or woman creates mischief for their ex partner once they have become disloyal and leaves them...its basically just sour grapes. I hope this isn't the voice of experience its obvious Labour knows they have 11 months at most to leave the biggest pile of poo behind them for the Tories to suffer, and the taxpayer can pay to clear it up... |
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| Author: | toots [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:19 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: toots wrote: bloodnock wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: Why is the Labour goverment wasting time like this when they will be in opposition this time next year? Its Nulabs way to punish the electorate in the same way as a man or woman creates mischief for their ex partner once they have become disloyal and leaves them...its basically just sour grapes. I hope this isn't the voice of experience its obvious Labour knows they have 11 months at most to leave the biggest pile of poo behind them for the Tories to suffer, and the taxpayer can pay to clear it up... I wasn't referring to lab I was referring Bloodnock 
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:38 pm ] |
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ah, you think hes still bitter?.... blame the woman every time |
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| Author: | toots [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:11 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: ah, you think hes still bitter?....
blame the woman every time You really should reads things properly, it could be the other way around 
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:16 pm ] |
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toots wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: ah, you think hes still bitter?.... blame the woman every time You really should reads things properly, it could be the other way around blokes are loyal and loving, not like women... |
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| Author: | toots [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: toots wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: ah, you think hes still bitter?.... blame the woman every time You really should reads things properly, it could be the other way around blokes are loyal and loving, not like women... Of course they are in Lah Lah land
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| Author: | Nigel [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:45 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: Id support ID cards, and would support the inclusion of the appropriate flag (St George, St Andrews, Ddraig Goch* or St Patrick) on it, Gordie cant support devolution and then ban the flags....
** Ddraig (dragon) goch (red) I support the ID cards, if it means us staying safe I'm all for them. |
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:37 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: Id support ID cards, and would support the inclusion of the appropriate flag (St George, St Andrews, Ddraig Goch* or St Patrick) on it, Gordie cant support devolution and then ban the flags....
** Ddraig (dragon) goch (red) Would you put your avatar on you ID card wannabeatoplessmodel? |
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:43 pm ] |
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toots wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: toots wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: ah, you think hes still bitter?.... blame the woman every time You really should reads things properly, it could be the other way around blokes are loyal and loving, not like women... Of course they are in Lah Lah land Welcome To Lah Lah Land |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:19 pm ] |
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toots wrote: bloodnock wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: Why is the Labour goverment wasting time like this when they will be in opposition this time next year? Its Nulabs way to punish the electorate in the same way as a man or woman creates mischief for their ex partner once they have become disloyal and leaves them...its basically just sour grapes. I hope this isn't the voice of experience Sadly no...mines hasnt left yet 
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