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| Author: | chp12 [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | using a black cab for private hire |
hi folks this mite sound a daft question but can you use a black cab (for example a tx4) for private hire? obviously you couldnt pick up off the street and you couldnt have the taxi light on but for me as the price of plates in my area are way out of my price range therefore i have decided to put a privite hire car on the road to make a living. and with the tx4 with there being a partition for security i would feel so much more secure and safer in a tx4 than a normal car so the question is folks can it be done?????? cheers. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:12 pm ] |
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If it has a light on the top that says taxi, lighted or not, I would say no. |
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: using a black cab for private hire |
chp12 wrote: hi folks this mite sound a daft question but can you use a black cab (for example a tx4) for private hire? obviously you couldnt pick up off the street and you couldnt have the taxi light on but for me as the price of plates in my area are way out of my price range therefore i have decided to put a privite hire car on the road to make a living. and with the tx4 with there being a partition for security i would feel so much more secure and safer in a tx4 than a normal car so the question is folks can it be done?????? cheers.
Your council should not license a black cab as a PHV, with or without a top light!! Section 48 of the LG(MP) Act 1976 states that they shall not grant such a licence. |
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| Author: | chp12 [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:17 pm ] |
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cheers for the help mate ,shame u cant do it its was for the added saftey aspect |
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:18 pm ] |
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chp12 wrote: so if i took the taxi light/sign away alltogether would that help?
No, not at all. Which LA are we talking about? |
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| Author: | chp12 [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:21 pm ] |
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it was north lanarkshire up in scotland mate |
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:24 pm ] |
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chp12 wrote: it was north lanarkshire up in scotland mate
In that case . . . PASS!! I'm not up to speed on the legislation north of the border. |
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| Author: | grumpy [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:08 pm ] |
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Hi chp12, don't know about LTi type cabs, but we have the van conversions on PHV plates in Falkirk. Full WAV spec (except no begging lights, no taxi signage addded) but the drivers didn't want to (or possibly couldn't) do the knowledge test. As for safety in a saloon you could consider one of these http://www.drivershields.co.uk/ as I've posted previously, not my cup of tea, but it may solve you're problem wrt to feeling safe. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:27 pm ] |
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There's case law on it, these vehicles have been licensed as ph CC |
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| Author: | diesel [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:58 pm ] |
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why o why would anybody want to to drive an LTI tx. they are the worst, most un-comfortable vehicles ever produced!! 
they are thirsty, handle like sh.. and are not very reliable ! but i hear you say, they can turn around in tight turns. whoopy effin doo- why do you think they wear front tyres, front suspension components and steering boxes that leak !! there you go, i've said my bit (and i've not even mentioned the bottom end problems. yet) 
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| Author: | grumpy [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:14 pm ] |
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diesel wrote: why o why would anybody want to to drive an LTI tx.
that's a question for GBC, if ever I read one 
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| Author: | GBC [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:47 pm ] |
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Because they're built as a Taxi. I've had very little problems with my Fairway / TX1 / TX2. I speak to countless numbers of drivers who are happy with their TX4s. Because 7 out of 5000 licensed by the PCO have an engine fire, that would put me off as much as the Mercedes which had an engine fire. Not. I just look at the threads under repairs, then try to think about a vehicle that will last 15 years and earn me bundles.
Can't see an E7 or Citroen doing that. |
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| Author: | GBC [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: using a black cab for private hire |
chp12 wrote: hi folks this mite sound a daft question but can you use a black cab (for example a tx4) for private hire? obviously you couldnt pick up off the street and you couldnt have the taxi light on but for me as the price of plates in my area are way out of my price range therefore i have decided to put a privite hire car on the road to make a living. and with the tx4 with there being a partition for security i would feel so much more secure and safer in a tx4 than a normal car so the question is folks can it be done?????? cheers.
Not in London. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:09 pm ] |
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R v Bournemouth Borough Council ex parte Thompson 1985
CC |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: using a black cab for private hire |
chp12 wrote: hi folks this mite sound a daft question but can you use a black cab (for example a tx4) for private hire? obviously you couldnt pick up off the street and you couldnt have the taxi light on but for me as the price of plates in my area are way out of my price range therefore i have decided to put a privite hire car on the road to make a living. and with the tx4 with there being a partition for security i would feel so much more secure and safer in a tx4 than a normal car so the question is folks can it be done?????? cheers.
Provided the vehicle carries no signage saying or implying it is available for immediate hire, then IMHO yes you can. Your LA however may not agree. LG(MP) Act 1976 doesn't apply in Scotland. Relevant legislation is the CIVIC GOVERNMENT (SCOTLAND) ACT 1982 . 10(1) A licence, to be known as a “taxi licence” or, as the case may be, a “private hire car licence”, shall be required for the operation of a vehicle as: (a) a taxi; or (b) a private hire car. (2) A licensing authority shall not grant or renew a taxi licence or private hire car licence unless they are satisfied that the vehicle to which the licence is to relate is suitable in type, size and design for use as a taxi or private hire car, as the case may be, and is safe for that use, and that there is in force in relation to the vehicle such a policy of insurance or such security as complies with Part VI of the Road Traffic Act 1988. (3) Without prejudice to paragraph 5 of Schedule 1 to this Act, the grant of a taxi licence may be refused by a licensing authority for the purpose of limiting the number of taxis in respect of which licences are granted by them if, and only if, they are satisfied that there is no significant demand for the services of taxis in their area which is unmet. (4) A vehicle shall, for the purpose of subsection (2) above, be treated by a licensing authority: (a) as being suitable in type, size and design if it complies with regulations in that regard made by the Secretary of State under section 20(2) of this Act in respect of their area; and (b) as not being so suitable if it does not so comply. 14(1) Subject to subsection (2) below, there shall not be displayed on or in a private hire car any word, sign, notice, mark, illumination or other feature which may suggest that the vehicle is available for hire as a taxi. (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply in relation to any licence plate or other thing issued by the licensing authority for the purpose of indicating that the vehicle to which it relates is a private hire car or in relation to any sign required by virtue of section 21 of the Vehicles (Excise) Act 1971. 20(1) Notwithstanding paragraph 5(2) of Schedule 1 to this Act, the Secretary of State may by regulations provide that licensing authorities shall, in relation to taxi, private hire car, taxi drivers’ or private hire car drivers’ licences, impose such conditions or classes of conditions as may be prescribed in the regulations and shall not impose such other conditions or classes of conditions as may be so prescribed and may prescribe that such conditions shall be imposed or, as the case may be, shall not be imposed for different areas or classes of areas; and different conditions or classes of conditions may be prescribed in relation to different categories or taxi or private hire car. (2) The Secretary of State may by regulations made by statutory instrument prescribe types, sizes and designs of vehicles for the purposes of section 10(4) of this Act and, in doing so, may prescribe different types, sizes or designs of vehicles in respect of different areas. (2A) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (1) and (2) above, regulations under those subsections may make such provision as appears to the Secretary of State to be necessary or expedient in relation to the carrying in taxis of disabled persons (within the meaning of section 2(2) of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995) and such provision may in particular prescribe – (a) requirements as to the carriage of wheelchairs, guide dogs, hearing dogs and other categories of dog; (b) A date from which any such provision is to apply and the extent to which it is to apply; and (c) The circumstances in which an exemption from such provision may be granted in respect of any taxi or taxi driver, and in this subsection – “guide dog” means a dog which has been trained to guide a blind person; “hearing dog” means a dog which has been trained to assist a deaf person; “other categories of dog” means such other categories of dog such as the Secretary of State may prescribe, trained to assist disabled persons who have disabilities of such kinds as he may prescribe. (3) Regulations under subsection (1) above shall be made by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either house of Parliament. 23(1) In sections 10 to 22 of this Act:- “taxi” means a hire car which is engaged, by arrangements made in a public place between the person to be conveyed in it (or a person acting on his behalf) and its driver for a journey beginning there and then; and “private hire car” means a hire car other than a taxi within the meaning of this subsection. (2) In subsection (1) above, “hire car” means a motor vehicle with a driver (other than a vehicle being a public service vehicle within the meaning of section 1(1)(a) of the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981) which is, with a view to profit, available for hire by the public for personal conveyance. (3) Notwithstanding that a vehicle in respect of which there is a licence for its operation as a taxi is, on any occasion, engaged as a hire car otherwise than in the manner referred to in subsection (1) above, the enactments relating to its operation as a taxi and to the driving of it as such (including any such enactments in this Act) shall nonetheless apply in relation to it; and that other manner of engagement on that occasion shall not of itself cause the operation or driving of the licensed taxi to be regarded for the purposes of this Act as the operation or driving or a private hire car within the meaning of subsection (1) above. |
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