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Author:  juls [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Preposed road charge
So what about taxis and ph???

Any one heard?

Could be very intresting saying to a punter.. thats £5 please plus £7.50 road charge.. worrying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

juls
Author:  Sussex [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
juls wrote:
So what about taxis and ph???

There is part of me that says it will never happen, 99.99% of me. :shock:

How would it work?

I suspect they will have a little black box in the motor and drivers will pay the same way as they pay for their mobiles. Pay as you go, or direct debit.

But then again we could be exempt. :-$
Author:  JD [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
Sussex wrote:
juls wrote:
So what about taxis and ph???

There is part of me that says it will never happen, 99.99% of me. :shock:

How would it work?

I suspect they will have a little black box in the motor and drivers will pay the same way as they pay for their mobiles. Pay as you go, or direct debit.

But then again we could be exempt. :-$


If we were exempt how long would it be before the public realised they could get free mileage by plating their vehicle as P/H or perhaps Hackney in some areas? I don't think we will be exempt, I also don't think petrol will come down that much and by the time the oil companies have finished I bet you won't be able to get a gallon of petrol under £2.

Regards

JD
Author:  steveo [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
JD wrote:
If we were exempt how long would it be before the public realised they could get free mileage by plating their vehicle as P/H or perhaps Hackney in some areas? I don't think we will be exempt, I also don't think petrol will come down that much and by the time the oil companies have finished I bet you won't be able to get a gallon of petrol under £2.


i had a chap in the car a while back who was asking me all the ins and outs of becoming a driver. turns out that all he wanted to do is get a PH plate so he could use the bus lanes to and from his office !
Author:  JD [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
steveo wrote:
JD wrote:
If we were exempt how long would it be before the public realised they could get free mileage by plating their vehicle as P/H or perhaps Hackney in some areas? I don't think we will be exempt, I also don't think petrol will come down that much and by the time the oil companies have finished I bet you won't be able to get a gallon of petrol under £2.


i had a chap in the car a while back who was asking me all the ins and outs of becoming a driver. turns out that all he wanted to do is get a PH plate so he could use the bus lanes to and from his office !


So who amongst us think road charges will be a good thing? I certainly don't but it would be interesting to hear the views of those who think It will, along with their reasons why?

Regards

JD
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
steveo wrote:
i had a chap in the car a while back who was asking me all the ins and outs of becoming a driver. turns out that all he wanted to do is get a PH plate so he could use the bus lanes to and from his office !

Didn't the mush who runs Ryanair do that in Dublin? [-(
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
JD wrote:
So who amongst us think road charges will be a good thing?

I suppose it will depend at what rate it is set, but surely the costs of running the thing is going to be huge.

As opposed to the way they do it at the mo, but getting the likes of Esso and Shell to collect it for them. :?
Author:  jasbar [ Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
Sussex wrote:
juls wrote:
So what about taxis and ph???

There is part of me that says it will never happen, 99.99% of me. :shock:

How would it work?

I suspect they will have a little black box in the motor and drivers will pay the same way as they pay for their mobiles. Pay as you go, or direct debit.

But then again we could be exempt. :-$


How would it work?

Exactly.

Global Position Systems currently work because its users want it to. It brings great benefits to their business and private life.

Road pricing will be almost universally abhorred. How long before some enterprising chap floods the market with a signal blocking device to break the system?

(Of course, backup licence plate camera systems could be used in conjunction to double check that the plates device is transmitting according to the law. But, how much would this add to the cost?)

Perhaps this is a reason to instal the system. No road tax (allegedly). No fuel duty (allegedly). And no road pricing. We'd all be quids in.

:D
Author:  Sirius [ Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Preposed road charge
JD wrote:
steveo wrote:
JD wrote:
If we were exempt how long would it be before the public realised they could get free mileage by plating their vehicle as P/H or perhaps Hackney in some areas? I don't think we will be exempt, I also don't think petrol will come down that much and by the time the oil companies have finished I bet you won't be able to get a gallon of petrol under £2.


i had a chap in the car a while back who was asking me all the ins and outs of becoming a driver. turns out that all he wanted to do is get a PH plate so he could use the bus lanes to and from his office !


So who amongst us think road charges will be a good thing? I certainly don't but it would be interesting to hear the views of those who think It will, along with their reasons why?

Regards

JD


I dont know if it would be a good thing to have, but as I said on the other thread I dont think they would be spending all that time and money on the Galileo project for nothing, the following document seems to suggest there are plans afoot and have been for some time to introduce road pricing.

Wide-ranging review proposed for EU transport policyDocument Actions 12/09/2001

Plans to overhaul EU transport policy, with 60 measures affecting most modes, were published by the European Commission on 12 September.Its White Paper emphasises passengers? needs, rail and water transport, and integrating different modes. The strategy aims also to gradually decouple transport and economic growth.
Air passengers would gain rights to compensation if delayed or flights were overbooked. Similar protection could be extended to travellers on rail, maritime and urban transport services, too.
A shift in favour of rail and water transport could help to tackle congestion, backed by a 30m-euro-a-year programme to link different modes of transport more effectively. If nothing is done to combat congestion, Europe will face ?apoplexy at the centre and paralysis at the extremities?, the Commission says.
It is proposing measures to develop ?fair infrastructure charging?, which takes account of external costs such as pollution. High levels of quality and safety must be a priority throughout transport services as well.
Finally, the White Paper advocates harmonising taxes on diesel for road hauliers, to reduce distortions of competition; filling the missing links in the trans-European networks, particularly in the high-speed rail network; progressing the Galileo system of satellite radionavigation; and raising the EU?s profile within international bodies such as the International Maritime Organisation and the International Civil Aviation Organisation.
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