If it's not in the T&Cs of an App company then I see no reason why an operator can't use multiple but the question should be, Should we support this form of extreme profiteering?
As proven once they have you, your trapped and at the mercy of them
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| Author: | captain cab [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps THERE are parts of Yorkshire in which hopping into a council-licensed minicab is akin to playing Russian roulette. Instead of a revolver, the weapon is a rusty Toyota. Technology, you’d have thought, would have come up with a better arrangement by now. In fact, the smartphone age has brought no shortage of alternatives, but the jury is out on whether any of them represent actual improvements. Depending where you are, it’s now possible to hail a cab using an app on your phone, simply by sending your current location to the driver. You can then track the taxi’s progress in real time as it wends its way to you, and if you like, pay securely by credit card, via your phone. Several of these apps bypass the “official” driver licensing model entirely, in favour of a closed network of cabbies working for a central, automated dispatching system. The best known of these is Uber, which launched in Leeds last autumn, after controversial rollouts in London and elsewhere. Uber is big business, operating in well over 200 cities worldwide, with backing from heavyweight investors like Google and Goldman Sachs. It sets fares based on its own formula, and the price includes a tip. However, like package holidays, the rates are apt to rise when demand is high: during bad weather or rush hours, for instance. This is a practice known in the industry as surge pricing. Cab-sharing is allowed, though, and you can split the fare with your fellow travellers, using the app to work it out. Uber is deeply unpopular with regular cabbies, who took to the streets of London last year in a protest which halted traffic. In Brussels, the service was banned outright until recently. But its commercial model has had others drooling, and it hasn’t taken long for rival apps like Lyft and Hailo to emerge. So instead of battling for space on the taxi rank outside the Odeon, rival cabbies are now competing for a slot on the screen of your phone. GetTaxi, which has also just launched in Leeds, offers a slightly different experience, using licensed black cabs instead of its own fleet, and promising no minimum fees or cancellation charges, and no surge pricing. It claims to have vetted all its drivers and allows you to rate your cabbie after each ride. There’s also a loyalty scheme and credit if you recommend the service to someone else. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/yorkshir ... -1-7159288 |
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| Author: | toots [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
I like Apps tbh and I envisage they will take the majority of work in the coming years, but, I wonder if the drivers will work for just one App or if they will have several on the go at a time. Is there anything to stop them having more than one App on the go other than the need for a different phone for each App? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
I'm struggle to work out how or why the Uber app is any difference than all the rest. It appears to me spivs are panicing over nothing. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
Uber seems to be the only 1 intended for useage as a "cyber circuit", akin to my base using Mercury and using a PH licensed base with staff, nearest to me being Birmingham, wheras in theory there shouldnt be a base anywhere and any member of the publics request for a car should just go out to operators with the app and mainly intended for direct to car owners individually... putting joe public's request straight to cars |
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| Author: | toots [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
Sussex wrote: I'm struggle to work out how or why the Uber app is any difference than all the rest. It appears to me spivs are panicing over nothing. I guess the difference in Uber and others is on the drivers side insofar as there is no settle as such you pay % of what you take, it's also intended to be a national App which most ph ops Apps aren't and the only other Apps that could be national are hackney based. What we need is an App that covers all types of vehicles, saloons, purpose built hackneys, high spec vehicles, airport runners etc, etc. I don't think operators need to worry at the minute it's not going to take over overnight but they need to be making plans imo. I'm still wondering if drivers could operate more than one App at a time? |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
Quote: What we need is an App that covers all types of vehicles, saloons, purpose built hackneys, high spec vehicles, airport runners etc, etc. I don't think operators need to worry at the minute it's not going to take over overnight but they need to be making plans imo. I'm still wondering if drivers could operate more than one App at a time? Not an app as such but i get this by email onto mt android so quite close I can bid, punters can accept, etc http://www.quotemetaxi.com/ one today I could have bid on Reference 1007250 Pick-up Time 22/03/2015 07:45 (SUN) Return Time 22/03/2015 21:45 (SUN) Passengers 1 + 0 BAGS Option EXTRA DROP-OFF/PICKUP-UP Pick-up Address BAKEWELL DRIVE DERBY DE74 2NF Drop-off Address BOURNEMOUTH AIRPORT HURN BH23 6SE |
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| Author: | Private Reggie [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
If it's not in the T&Cs of an App company then I see no reason why an operator can't use multiple but the question should be, Should we support this form of extreme profiteering? As proven once they have you, your trapped and at the mercy of them
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| Author: | toots [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
Private Reggie wrote: If it's not in the T&Cs of an App company then I see no reason why an operator can't use multiple but the question should be, Should we support this form of extreme profiteering? As proven once they have you, your trapped and at the mercy of them How is this type of profiteering any different than paying a base operator £100 per week for work that may or may not be there  As the App deals directly with the driver it takes away the need for the operator company.
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| Author: | Skull [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
toots wrote: Private Reggie wrote: If it's not in the T&Cs of an App company then I see no reason why an operator can't use multiple but the question should be, Should we support this form of extreme profiteering? As proven once they have you, your trapped and at the mercy of them How is this type of profiteering any different than paying a base operator £100 per week for work that may or may not be there As the App deals directly with the driver it takes away the need for the operator company.
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| Author: | christopherwk [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
toots wrote: Is there anything to stop them having more than one App on the go other than the need for a different phone for each App? Depends on your local authority if you can work for more than one firm at the same time. I understand with some local authorities, you have to submit your PH licence to your chosen operator, and you can work for them. In London, you can work for as many operators - app based/traditional office-based as you like. As long as you've got access to your car's documents - i.e. MOT, PH licence, logbook, as you need these to submit copies of these to each operator you work for. Hence, if you drive a company car a company gives you (e.g. Addison Lee - and they're branded anyway), you won't have access to these documents, and can't use that car for other firms. Most PH drivers in London are on more than one app anyway, and it makes sense to maximise your income in this way. In London as far as I know there's: Uber, Wheely, Hailo, Bounce, Splyt, and Drivr (though they seem to have discontinued operations in London). With regards to different phones. As far as I know, you can rent a phone from Uber and Bounce for a weekly fee (though it will be locked so only their own app works on it), or you can download their driver app onto your own phone. The smaller, recent start ups expect you to work for more than one app/firm anyway, since they don't offer enough work to justify from working with them solely. (e.g. I only get an average 1 or 2 jobs a week from Bounce) |
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| Author: | toots [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
christopherwk wrote: Depends on your local authority if you can work for more than one firm at the same time. I understand with some local authorities, you have to submit your PH licence to your chosen operator, and you can work for them. Our authority requires that the paper part of your driver license issued by them is lodged with the operator you work for, if you work for more than one you had to purchase another one from them. Recently they have made available drivers information live online so that operators can check that drivers and vehicles are fully licensed. This is so they can get away from the requirement of having paper licenses issued to give to operators so a driver will only need the one and they keep it themselves. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
toots wrote: christopherwk wrote: if you work for more than one you had to purchase another one from them. Couldn't the driver just take a photocopy? |
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| Author: | Private Reggie [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
toots wrote: Private Reggie wrote: If it's not in the T&Cs of an App company then I see no reason why an operator can't use multiple but the question should be, Should we support this form of extreme profiteering? As proven once they have you, your trapped and at the mercy of them How is this type of profiteering any different than paying a base operator £100 per week for work that may or may not be there As the App deals directly with the driver it takes away the need for the operator company.City Cabs Edinburgh is a non profit making co-operative, so we don't profiteer at anyone's expense, most of my circuit fees are made from the extras I earn from telephone and App bookings, in real terms my circuit fees pay for itself, companies like Uber Get Taxi are purely for profit, the more they get the more they want and at the drivers expense, there's plenty of evidence of unhappy Uber drivers
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
Private Reggie wrote: If it's not in the T&Cs of an App company then I see no reason why an operator can't use multiple but the question should be, Should we support this form of extreme profiteering? As proven once they have you, your trapped and at the mercy of them er, like any other base then? |
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| Author: | roythebus [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber vs the rest: The best taxi apps |
toots wrote: christopherwk wrote: Depends on your local authority if you can work for more than one firm at the same time. I understand with some local authorities, you have to submit your PH licence to your chosen operator, and you can work for them. Our authority requires that the paper part of your driver license issued by them is lodged with the operator you work for, if you work for more than one you had to purchase another one from them. Recently they have made available drivers information live online so that operators can check that drivers and vehicles are fully licensed. This is so they can get away from the requirement of having paper licenses issued to give to operators so a driver will only need the one and they keep it themselves. |
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