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 Post subject: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:26 am 
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Our council now requires us to obtain a group 2 medical before badges are granted or renewed.
Now according to the DVLA web site group 2 only applies to buses and Lorries.
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Just how much is one of these medicals??


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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:58 am 
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between £105 and £250 depending on your medical practise

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:29 am 
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edders23 wrote:
between £105 and £250 depending on your medical practise


I can see many drivers leaving here then, some just make enough to get by without the added expense , plus the annual rise in licence fees.


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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:07 pm 
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£60 is par for course...thoughour local GP says they won't be doing it.

The absurdity of it is that the Don't actually need a D4 (Group 2 Medical certificate) but a signed declaration from your GP that they should sign a letter to say you have reached an equivelant level of a D4 certificate..the D4 in itself is of no consequence.


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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:03 pm 
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skippy41 wrote:
edders23 wrote:
between £105 and £250 depending on your medical practise


I can see many drivers leaving here then, some just make enough to get by without the added expense , plus the annual rise in licence fees.


Ask your doctor for a discount. Tell him he’ll get more patients if he does.

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:36 pm 
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Since lakeside healthcare took over half the doctors surgeries in the country (including all 3 of ours and merged them into one) there are no discounts

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
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Here Stevie Wonder could pass the sight test and a warm corpse would be classed fit enough

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:52 pm 
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skippy41 wrote:
edders23 wrote:
between £105 and £250 depending on your medical practise


I can see many drivers leaving here then, some just make enough to get by without the added expense , plus the annual rise in licence fees.

All the more for you Skippy.

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:23 am 
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bloodnock wrote:
£60 is par for course...thoughour local GP says they won't be doing it.

The absurdity of it is that the Don't actually need a D4 (Group 2 Medical certificate) but a signed declaration from your GP that they should sign a letter to say you have reached an equivelant level of a D4 certificate..the D4 in itself is of no consequence.


Called the Waverley practice yesterday, how much for one of these medicals, Oh we are refusing to do them,and every practice in the Borders, and have a letter you can send to the council explaining why.
They have checked with the DVLA and it only applies to bus and lorry drivers, the doctor said who gave me the letter, that should anyone fail , they could carry on driving a private vehicle, so the medical is pointless.
Just wondering how the council will react,as its being introduced from the 1st of April, and what we as drivers can do about it, if they bring in an outsider ,can our doctors divulge our medical history??


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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
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,can our doctors divulge our medical history??


yes if it is a bona fide medical practitioner they HAVE to access your medical records as part of the medical

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
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,can our doctors divulge our medical history??


yes if it is a bona fide medical practitioner they HAVE to access your medical records as part of the medical




Bone Fido?

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:11 pm 
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skippy41 wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
£60 is par for course...thoughour local GP says they won't be doing it.

The absurdity of it is that the Don't actually need a D4 (Group 2 Medical certificate) but a signed declaration from your GP that they should sign a letter to say you have reached an equivelant level of a D4 certificate..the D4 in itself is of no consequence.


Called the Waverley practice yesterday, how much for one of these medicals, Oh we are refusing to do them,and every practice in the Borders, and have a letter you can send to the council explaining why.
They have checked with the DVLA and it only applies to bus and lorry drivers, the doctor said who gave me the letter, that should anyone fail , they could carry on driving a private vehicle, so the medical is pointless.
Just wondering how the council will react,as its being introduced from the 1st of April, and what we as drivers can do about it, if they bring in an outsider ,can our doctors divulge our medical history??


Not every practice, some will do it others wont, mine says they will but my wifes says they wont, however mines says they'll do my wifes.

I think what has set off the Jungle drums in local GP practices is a less than precise set of instructions from either Holyrood or the LA, they pretty much ask for something that is not anyones to give, it does not really exist...there is no Group 2 or D4 medical for Hacks or PH drivers.

This first surfaced about 7 years when our SBC Passenger transport section stated all School drivers needed a D4 medical which we all had done, but then it transpires that just because you have one done it's not a certificate of health and more a tool thats supposedly passed on to the DVLA so that they can make a call on whether your up to HGV or PSV levels of acceptable fitness. In itself and without the DVLA such D4s or Group 2 medicals are meaningless.

No Hack or PH driver needs a Group 2 or D4 medical, they just need a letter from your doctor to the effect that you are likely to have passed a D4 or group 2 medical had you had one. and the SBC have a pre written letter that you can take to your GP for them to complete, having spoken to a Doctor today he said it was not the procedure that created the problem but their lack of advice on what to write and word a letter as proof of health...hopefully if you take a copy of this SBC Medical document it'll remove your GPs reluctance to complete one.

Really...it's Holyrood that suggested this and like everything else from that place it was never understood by those who thought it was a good idea to issue it as guidance to Scotlands LA's who seem to confuse ill conceived guidance as a Must DO policy.

One big needless fechin cockup.....a simple medical would have sufficed, we are driving cars not piloting the first manned mission to mars.


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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:48 pm 
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Here is an Extract from the

"D4 Medical Examination
Report for a Group 2,
bus or lorry licence"

there is no legal way that Holyrood could make this stick as it is purely a DVLA requirement and nothing to do with Scottish Taxi and PH law whether they like it or not especially as DVLA powers have not been devolved to Holyrood.

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When do you need a D4 Medical
Examination Report

If this is your first application for a Group 2 bus or
lorry licence.

If you are applying to renew your Group 2 entitlement
at 45. From 45 on, a D4 will be needed every 5 years
until you are 65 when you will need one annually.

If you are under 70, hold a medically restricted car
licence and held this licence before 1 January 1997
and wish to apply for C1 or C1/D1 entitlement
(vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg and/or a
maximum of 16 passenger seats).

If you are applying for a new Group 2 provisional
licence and a D4 has not been submitted in the last
12 months.

If you are an EU/EEA driving licence holder whose
authority to drive Group 2 in Great Britain has run out.

If you are 70 and still need C1 and D1 entitlement.
You will need to have a D4 every 3 years.


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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:59 pm 
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Our LA has had the requirement of a group 2 medical for at least 8 years, it is also in the taxi best practice guidance, I have to do 2, 1 for taxi and 1 for HGV, taxi licensing want this medical done with access to your medical records but DVLA doesn't.
I think its more to do with having a standardised medical for all PH/Taxi drivers.
I have used these for both medicals in the past http://www.doctorsonwheels.co.uk/ £51, + what ever your doctor will charge for a copy of your medical records.

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 Post subject: Re: Group 2 medical
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:16 pm 
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I think confusion arises due to some councils requiring drivers to meet the standards of group 2.

Rather than having a group 2 medical.

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