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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:55 pm 
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Under Group 2 Medical Standards

If A Driver as got angina must take a treadmill test, however, if that driver as also got COPD and can't do a treadmill test, does anyone know anybody who has gone through this and kept his Badge? please we would be grateful for any information thank you.

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Under Group 2 Medical Standards

If A Driver as got angina must take a treadmill test, however, if that driver as also got COPD and can't do a treadmill test, does anyone know anybody who has gone through this and kept his Badge? please we would be grateful for any information thank you.



No and no. Anyone can suffer with COPD and drive, the same goes for Angina.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:06 pm 
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charles007 wrote:
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If A Driver as got angina must take a treadmill test, however, if that driver as also got COPD and can't do a treadmill test, does anyone know anybody who has gone through this and kept his Badge? please we would be grateful for any information thank you.

If someone is not fit enough to safely take a treadmill test, along with suffering with COPD, then I would be surprised if any council would license them.

Very sad I know, but no council will take a risk like that.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:57 pm 
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One major problem is that councils usually require a "Group 2 standard" medical, not a DVLA test as such.

It may just seem to be a semantic difference, but the test results do not go anywhere near the DVLA, and only between doctor and local authority.

This means that rather than some faceless bureaucrat making a decision, the onus is on the Doctor - so if the medical condition was unfortunate enough to cause an accident the DOCTOR is liable, not the DVLA, so doctors are naturally cautious when approving medicals.

I am currently unable to work as I could not provide a meter with three months blood sugar readings (because the meter broke), so even though I have had no problems medically, the doctor would not complete the forms, so no badge for me, unfortunately


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:12 pm 
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DocG wrote:
One major problem is that councils usually require a "Group 2 standard" medical, not a DVLA test as such.

It may just seem to be a semantic difference, but the test results do not go anywhere near the DVLA, and only between doctor and local authority.

This means that rather than some faceless bureaucrat making a decision, the onus is on the Doctor - so if the medical condition was unfortunate enough to cause an accident the DOCTOR is liable, not the DVLA, so doctors are naturally cautious when approving medicals.

I am currently unable to work as I could not provide a meter with three months blood sugar readings (because the meter broke), so even though I have had no problems medically, the doctor would not complete the forms, so no badge for me, unfortunately



Assume you are on Insulin.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:22 pm 
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charles007 wrote:
Under Group 2 Medical Standards

If A Driver as got angina must take a treadmill test, however, if that driver as also got COPD and can't do a treadmill test, does anyone know anybody who has gone through this and kept his Badge? please we would be grateful for any information thank you.



You do not have to inform DVLA regarding Angina or COPD unless there are complications so would assume neither would stop you getting a license.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:23 am 
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heathcote wrote:
charles007 wrote:
Under Group 2 Medical Standards

If A Driver as got angina must take a treadmill test, however, if that driver as also got COPD and can't do a treadmill test, does anyone know anybody who has gone through this and kept his Badge? please we would be grateful for any information thank you.



You do not have to inform DVLA regarding Angina or COPD unless there are complications so would assume neither would stop you getting a license.


Indeed COPD doesn't seem to be regarded as too serious a condition as far as driving is concerned, UNLESS their are complications, which seems to be mainly about passing out.

However, angina is a different kettle of fish, and it looks like no Group 2 licence unless there's no symptoms for six weeks and a treadmill/bicycle test has been successfully undertaken:

Group 2 requirements re angina wrote:
Must notify the DVLA.

Must not drive when symptoms occur.

A licence will be refused or revoked if symptoms continue (treated or untreated).

May be relicensed/licensed (provided there is no other disqualifying condition) if:

■ no angina for at least 6 weeks
■ the requirements for exercise or other functional tests can be met


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cardiovascu ... ive#angina

So if the driver can't undertake the physical test because of the COPD then it doesn't look good - as DocG says, doctors won't want to take any risks, so if they can't tick the right boxes...

Of course, the final say is with the LA, and there could be other ways of passing the angina requirements. But, as Sussex says, if the COPD is bad enough to prevent the treadmill test being undertaken then it certainly doesn't look encouraging...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:09 pm 
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Try an expert if you can’t do a treadmill you can have a Stress Echocardiogram will be acceptable.I must stress I don’t no him or receive any commission :D

My name is Dr Robert Greenbaum. I am a Senior Consultant Cardiologist working in London both for the NHS and in private practice. I see, assess and treat patients with all forms of heart disease. I am a Past President of the Cardiology Section of The Royal Society of Medicine. My private practice is based at The Wood Street Clinic in Barnet, North London. In my practice I have a modern treadmill and echocardiography equipment. Other than through my practice I am connected with the driving trade. I have seen and treated many private hire drivers with heart disease over many years in practice.
I understand the importance of testing to private hire drivers. I have treated many and realise that their livelihood depends on the results of these tests. I have developed a high quality, accessible and economic service aimed at private hire drivers in and around London.

Treadmill exercise test – £189
Stress Echocardiogram – £459

Contact us
The Wood Street Clinic, 133 Wood Street, Barnet Herts EN5 4BX
Tel: 020 8449 7656 • http://www.thewoodstreetclinic.com enquiries@woodstreetclinic.com


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:46 pm 
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Try an expert if you can’t do a treadmill you can have a Stress Echocardiogram will be acceptable.I must stress I don’t no him or receive any commission :D

My name is Dr Robert Greenbaum. I am a Senior Consultant Cardiologist working in London both for the NHS and in private practice. I see, assess and treat patients with all forms of heart disease. I am a Past President of the Cardiology Section of The Royal Society of Medicine. My private practice is based at The Wood Street Clinic in Barnet, North London. In my practice I have a modern treadmill and echocardiography equipment. Other than through my practice I am connected with the driving trade. I have seen and treated many private hire drivers with heart disease over many years in practice.
I understand the importance of testing to private hire drivers. I have treated many and realise that their livelihood depends on the results of these tests. I have developed a high quality, accessible and economic service aimed at private hire drivers in and around London.

Treadmill exercise test – £189
Stress Echocardiogram – £459

Contact us
The Wood Street Clinic, 133 Wood Street, Barnet Herts EN5 4BX
Tel: 020 8449 7656 • http://www.thewoodstreetclinic.com enquiries@woodstreetclinic.com


Yes, thank you I just found out up here they have told me £950, but will look at the one posted on here and thank you mancityfan

"a gated myocardial perfusion scan or stress echo study accompanied when required by specialist cardiological opinion" will we get that on NHS or maybe not.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:26 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
charles007 wrote:
Under Group 2 Medical Standards

If A Driver as got angina must take a treadmill test, however, if that driver as also got COPD and can't do a treadmill test, does anyone know anybody who has gone through this and kept his Badge? please we would be grateful for any information thank you.

If someone is not fit enough to safely take a treadmill test, along with suffering with COPD, then I would be surprised if any council would license them.

Very sad I know, but no council will take a risk like that.



A group 2 medical doesn't include a treadmill test does it?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:19 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:

A group 2 medical doesn't include a treadmill test does it?


Not normally, but as I posted earlier, if you've been diagnosed with angina the Group 2 requirements specify some kind of exercise test or other test before you can drive again:

Group 2 requirements re angina wrote:
Must notify the DVLA.

Must not drive when symptoms occur.

A licence will be refused or revoked if symptoms continue (treated or untreated).

May be relicensed/licensed (provided there is no other disqualifying condition) if:

■ no angina for at least 6 weeks
■ the requirements for exercise or other functional tests can be met


The 'exercise' test seems to be either a treadmill or bicycle test, according to the DVLA stuff. However, there's no mention of what the 'other functional test' means, but that's probably the Stress Echocardiogram referred to by mancityfan, or similar.

So obviously angina sufferers need to pass either a treadmill/bicycle test, or something else if they can't manage the treadmill/bicycle.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:50 pm 
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StuartW wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:

A group 2 medical doesn't include a treadmill test does it?


Not normally, but as I posted earlier, if you've been diagnosed with angina the Group 2 requirements specify some kind of exercise test or other test before you can drive again:

Group 2 requirements re angina wrote:
Must notify the DVLA.

Must not drive when symptoms occur.

A licence will be refused or revoked if symptoms continue (treated or untreated).

May be relicensed/licensed (provided there is no other disqualifying condition) if:

■ no angina for at least 6 weeks
■ the requirements for exercise or other functional tests can be met


The 'exercise' test seems to be either a treadmill or bicycle test, according to the DVLA stuff. However, there's no mention of what the 'other functional test' means, but that's probably the Stress Echocardiogram referred to by mancityfan, or similar.

So obviously angina sufferers need to pass either a treadmill/bicycle test, or something else if they can't manage the treadmill/bicycle.


#-o This bloody thing is a nightmare, it's doing my head in.

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Don't give up Charlie.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:18 pm 
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mancityfan wrote:
Try an expert if you can’t do a treadmill you can have a Stress Echocardiogram will be acceptable.I must stress I don’t no him or receive any commission :D

My name is Dr Robert Greenbaum. I am a Senior Consultant Cardiologist working in London both for the NHS and in private practice. I see, assess and treat patients with all forms of heart disease. I am a Past President of the Cardiology Section of The Royal Society of Medicine. My private practice is based at The Wood Street Clinic in Barnet, North London. In my practice I have a modern treadmill and echocardiography equipment. Other than through my practice I am connected with the driving trade. I have seen and treated many private hire drivers with heart disease over many years in practice.
I understand the importance of testing to private hire drivers. I have treated many and realise that their livelihood depends on the results of these tests. I have developed a high quality, accessible and economic service aimed at private hire drivers in and around London.

Treadmill exercise test – £189
Stress Echocardiogram – £459

Contact us
The Wood Street Clinic, 133 Wood Street, Barnet Herts EN5 4BX
Tel: 020 8449 7656 • http://www.thewoodstreetclinic.com enquiries@woodstreetclinic.com


There's a wee bit more on here about drivers who need to pass certain tests but can't manage the treadmill test:

The Wood Street Clinic wrote:
The health rules for black cab drivers are being ever more strictly applied. In this article I am going to restrict myself to writing about my own speciality cardiology.

I am a senior cardiologist looking after all aspects of adult heart disease. I work in North London so I have many London cabbies as patients. They have encouraged me to develop a range of services specially aimed at the taxi trade.

Although taxi drivers drive with a Class 1 driving licence they have to achieve the level of fitness of HGV and PSV drivers who have Class 2 licences.

The rules apply to all professional drivers. They are the same in all parts of the country.

In London TfL enforse the requirements: in other areas it is the local licencing authority.

The commonest issues facing drivers are a history of a

• heart attack (myocardial infarction; acute coronary syndrome)
• angioplasty / stent insertion
• and / or coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG)

In order to drive the requirements are

• freedom from angina for at least 6 weeks
• at least 6 weeks after an angioplasty / stent procedure
• at least 3 months after coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG)

In addition you have to be able to successfully complete 9 minutes walking on a treadmill using the Bruce protocol.

Further if you have had a coronary artery bypass graft operation (CABG) or angioplasty it is necessary to have an assessment of your heart's pumping function. This is most commonly done by means of an echocardiogram (an ultrasound scan).

This measures LVEF (Left Ventricular Ejection Fraction) - To drive this figure needs to be at least 40%.

For various reasons some drivers are unable to walk sucessfully on a treadmill.

In these cases there is an alternative - stress echocardiography. This test is not dependent on the ability to walk on a treadmill.

In my experience most but not all drivers who fail the treadmill test are succesful in passing stress echocardiography.

If you feel that you may not be able to do 9 minutes on the treadmill then it is often best to have a stress echocardiogram.

We are happy to discuss this on an individual basis before testing.

There are other heart problems that require specific tests to allow professional basis. We are happy to discuss your needs.


Please contact us for more details

telephone 020 8449 7656
fax 020 8441 0231


https://www.woodstreetclinic.com/taxi-d ... quirements


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:19 pm 
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By the way, there's a slight difference in the Wood Street Clinic's website address compared to that posted a few months ago. It's now:

https://www.woodstreetclinic.com/


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