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1 You found a private document pertaining to a court case in Edinburgh and concluded that TDO was a liar (whether it's the person or the website isn't really relevant). How did you conclude this, since I can't really see what evidence this provides, or if you can draw the 'interfering' inference as regards TDO from this document, then you yourself must be interfering?

2 How could you have known that the Salteri document had been authored by JD without looking in his private messages?

3 How could you have known that the Salteri document had been sent to the Sheriff Principal without looking at JD's private messages?

4 Why have you never outlined exactly how you found the document, despite repeated requests to do so?

5 Why were neither you nor any other forum contributor able to find the document that I put in the same place as the Salteri document to allow you to prove your point?

And please just don't point out how you could find the document NOW, because you may well know a bit more about the internet than you did then when you couldn't answer the questions - unless you can satisfactorily answer 4 and 5 with reference to the circumstances at the time, then you're damned anyway, since current knowledge doesn't explain your conduct at the time.

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shouldnt this be a sticky :lol:


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Has it never occurred to any of you mob that you might have a wee mole in your midst - just out to cause you lot trouble. Notice jasbar's been awfy quiet here too :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Has it never occurred to any of you mob that you might have a wee mole in your midst - just out to cause you lot trouble. Notice jasbar's been awfy quiet here too :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Shouldn't you be on fastblacks slagging me off?

Jog on now there's a good chap. :lol:

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What for? You're just a baldy wee blaw.


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TornCasualty wrote:
Has it never occurred to any of you mob that you might have a wee mole in your midst - just out to cause you lot trouble. Notice jasbar's been awfy quiet here too :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, but which of the five questions posed by TDO does that address? :-k

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Has it never occurred to any of you mob that you might have a wee mole in your midst - just out to cause you lot trouble. Notice jasbar's been awfy quiet here too :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, but which of the five questions posed by TDO does that address? :-k


At least question 1 and assists with questions 2 & 3. As regards question 4, there is no reason for me explaining anything to you. I now tend to think that Skull has a point about anonymity, tell us who you are and I might think about explaining further.
Question 5. As I have stated previously, I don't play your games and I don't follow your agenda.
So there you have it. Tell us who you are, confirm JD's identity and shut Sussex up in his box and we might just be able to talk.
Accept the fact that sh*t happens. Certain parties from this web site were well out of order, interfering in Edinburgh taxi matters, on the pretext of helping a minority of troublemakers despite the threat their actions posed to the vast majority of honest hard-working Edinburgh cabbies. Their deed was exposed. If you think the greed of one outweighs the needs of everyone else, real people do not.

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So there you have it. Tell us who you are, confirm JD's identity and shut Sussex up in his box and we might just be able to talk.

Little Bo Peep you have forgot this isn't your forum, so you can't dictate who says what and when. You can't ban at will, and you can't even have a peep at the PMs.

It must be so annoying mustn't it? :lol: :lol:

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TornCasualty wrote:
Has it never occurred to any of you mob that you might have a wee mole in your midst - just out to cause you lot trouble. Notice jasbar's been awfy quiet here too :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Since I knew nothing about the document and what was going on then that was an initial suspicion, but now that I know the full story there's nothing to suggest that.

And if there had been a mole then presumably Mr Admin would have said so ages ago to avoid the 'open and shut' case against himself.

And he's always claimed that the document was obtained legitimately, so perhaps you should put your theory to him before positing it elsewhere?

Lastly, he's also always alluded that it was found via the internet in some way, which doesn't really fit with your theory.

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At least question 1 and assists with questions 2 & 3. As regards question 4, there is no reason for me explaining anything to you.


Well if there was mileage in the theory it means that you have been deliberately vexatious, thus again you're damned either way, as you have been for at least a fortnight. :roll:

And, of course, if you don't think you have to explain anything, then you shouldn't bleat incessantly when people accuse you of being a liar and a cheat. :?




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I now tend to think that Skull has a point about anonymity, tell us who you are and I might think about explaining further.


Well if you only allow people who provide their full name and details on your site then I might think about it. But the bottom line is that anonymity is a basic right in any democratic society, which is why secret ballots are the norm in any free and fair environment.

But again your basic problem comes down to you not liking people expressing an opinion that doesn't concur with your own.

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Question 5. As I have stated previously, I don't play your games and I don't follow your agenda.


OK, so just let people draw their own conclusions then.

And it's funny that you expect others to follow your taxi regulation agenda.

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So there you have it. Tell us who you are, confirm JD's identity and shut Sussex up in his box and we might just be able to talk.


Well I prefer free speech.


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Accept the fact that sh*t happens.


In the final analysis your 'discovery' of the document affected nothing of substance, and only cast considerable doubt upon your own integrity.

So is this what you mean by 'sh*t happens'?



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Certain parties from this web site were well out of order, interfering in Edinburgh taxi matters, on the pretext of helping a minority of troublemakers despite the threat their actions posed to the vast majority of honest hard-working Edinburgh cabbies. Their deed was exposed. If you think the greed of one outweighs the needs of everyone else, real people do not.


That's a classic 'cut out and keep' passage that Mr G, and neatly demonstrates that you're clearly only worried about your own pocket or that you're incapable of thinking for yourself and instead merely run with the pack.

At the end of the day it's all about how the trade's income in Edinburgh is shared out and your basic thinking is that if some benefit from a certain system at the expense of others then that's OK, if those benefitting think so.

And while you're happy enough for the Westminster Parliament to have 'interfered' in the market to achieve this, you object to others having any input into things, even when it's doing little more than helping people assert their basic legal rights against a council which seems to treat its legal responsibilities with casual contempt.

This is underlined by your obvious witchhunt mentality against anyone doing this, which in turn underlines your contempt for freedom of expression, basic rights, the legal process and the fundamentals of democracy itself.

But given that this whole imbroglio is born of a system that institutionalises all that, then your attitude is hardly surprising.

And, I reiterate, TDO had no official input into what happened, although I admire and respect those who took an interest and expended a considerable amount of their own time on the issue.

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so still no answers from the peeper.
and to think someone called me vermin on the peeping site.
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the threat their actions posed to the vast majority of honest hard-working Edinburgh cabbies. Their deed was exposed. If you think the greed of one outweighs the needs of everyone else, real people do not.



Alan you are a fanny of the first degree. "the vast majority of honest hard-working Edinburgh cabbies". Why do I feel myself reaching for the sick bag?"If you think the greed of one outweighs the needs of everyone else, real people do not". You mean the institutionalised robots who call themselves "Taxi Drivers" do not. Tell me Alan, have you ever had the capacity to think for yourself? A long time ago maybe, give it some thought and get back to me I would like to hear about it.





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When you use a website that has a privacy function for exchanging messages you expect that function to do exactly what it says and be completely private. If the person responsible for administering such privacy cannot be trusted to comply with the laws governing interception of private messages and electronic communications then he or she should refrain from offering such a facility.

On Monday 20th February 2006 just after 6pm I sent a private message to Mr Jim Taylor on the Fastblacks.com forum. The message contained a link to a private file that was about to be uploaded to the TDO website. Six hours after the private message was sent to Mr Taylor a link to the private file was posted in the public forum of Fastblacks by the administrator under the heading, "Proof of TDO interference in Edinburgh". The message, which was posted by Mr Administrator, at12.18 am on Tuesday 21st February 2006, appeared just six hours after I first posted my private message to Mr Taylor.

The file and its location were privy to only two people, they being Mr. Taylor, myself and of course Mr Taylor's private message box.

Some people might think it strange that only six hours after sending a
private message to Mr Taylor, Mr Fastblacks Administrator had the details in his possession and had posted those details on a public forum? Discounting third party involvement there are only two explanations how Mr Fastblacks could have go that private information?

First is by accessing Mr Taylor's private message box and second by using a web stripper program to view or download files from a website. If the second option was used It might be reasonable to ask oneself why Mr Fastblacks chose that particular time frame of a few hours on that particular day to access the TDO server using a time consuming program such as a web stripper?

The second option becomes less plausible when I tell you that there were two more important files on the TDO server appertaining to the Edinburgh Taxi trade which had been there for some considerable time and where still there when Mr Fastblacks stole the file he made public. One should ask oneself why Mr Fastblacks didn't post the two more important files either before he found the file he stole, or at the same time he stole the file he made public?

It is my educated guess that the reason he didn't make the two more important documents public is because he didn't access the TDO server by means of a web stripper program at that particular time, or by using any other software or syntax that the server would recognise in order to show the file he stole. In my my mind that only leaves one conclusion?

To compound matters even further the document he stole from the TDO website had no fingerprints on it and there were no names highlighted in the summary properties field of the file, yet Mr Fastblacks stated categorically that JD wrote it. He also categorically said it had been sent to the court and that TDO, Mr Taylor and Garry Thompson were involved. How he deduced all this by innocently finding a document on the TDO server is somewhat amazing.

In fact here is how Mr Admin announced to the world his great discovery and how he just happened to find the document whilst checking up on another issue? He also made the unequivocal claim that both JD and TDO had proven themselves to be liars? So from downloading an unattributed document on the TDO server he instantly draws the conclusion that it was written by me and that TDO was somehow involved and that we are both liars.

In reply to a post from Mr Thompson on the Fastblacks site, Mr Administrator informs Mr Thompson that both he and Mr Taylor are also involved in the activity of this court case. Now how could he know that? Here is a man who has in his possession a document with no fingerprints, except for the fact it was found on the TDO server, where many other documents of a similar type could be found. Yet he knows more of the details surrounding the document than those who he claims have an involvement? Even if I had made the document public there is nothing in the document to suggest that TDO, Mr Taylor and Mr Thompson had an involvement? The only way he could have known that is by reading a private message I sent to Mr Taylor asking for his assistance in a certain matter. Likewise the only way he could have known that Mr Thompson was privileged to the information is because I asked Mr Taylor in the private message to forward Mr. Thompson a copy of the file in question.

Here is Mr Administrator's announcement of the discovery of the private document he stole from the TDO server.

Whilst checking up on another issue, I was amazed to find that JD/Kelly has proven himself and TDO to be liars. Follow this link to their site to find the document written by JD and apparently sent to the Sheriff Principal regarding the Salteri Appeal. This from the duo who claim they do not interfere in purely Edinburgh matters.

And this is his outburst on the same day proclaiming Mr Taylor and Mr Thompson were involved.

My "part" in this was to reveal the duplicity of certain parties and expose them for the liars they are. Further enquiries reveal your and Mr Taylor's involvement in this as well. Despite both of you claiming that you are only trying to prepare the trade for the inevitable, it would appear that, in particular Mr Taylor is attempting to establish himself in pole position for the race to destruction.

On the face of it some people might draw the conclusion that Mr Fastblacks had no way of knowing the extent of the involvement of Mr Taylor and Mr Thompson unless he had read the private messages of Mr Taylor?

Mr Fastblacks couldn't wait to announce that he knew of Mr Taylor and Mr Thompson's involvement but from knowing absolutely nothing the previous day, some 24 hours after me posting a private message he has miraculously uncovered a web of conspiracy? He stated, "further inquiries reveal Mr Thompson and Mr Taylor's involvement". You might wonder what further enquiries he made, did he contact me or TDO, or the two gentlemen he accused of being involved, or even the respondent sited in the document he stole? I'm afraid none of those people were contacted, it therefore begs the question how Mr Fastblacks could categorically state that Mr Taylor and Mr Thompson were involved, without having read Mr Taylor's Private messages?

Apart from the four emails I sent to Mr Taylor in the space of a few days, no one else new of his prospective involvement in the specific task I had asked him to undertake. In all fairness to Mr Taylor and Mr Thompson it was I who solicited their help and it had nothing whatsoever to do with anyone else what that request entailed.

Mr Fastblacks stated the document in Question had already been sent to the Courts but all Mr Fastblacks had in his possession was a stolen document, he had no way of knowing if it had or hadn't been sent to the court? The only way he could have possibly known it has been sent to the court is by reading the private messages of Mr Taylor. I had told Mr Taylor in a private message that the document had already been sent to the court but Mr Fastblacks wouldn't have known that unless he read the private message. Here's what Mr Fastblacks wrote in his expose of the stolen document.

Follow this link to their site to find the document written by JD and apparently sent to the Sheriff Principal regarding the Salteri Appeal.

So Mr Fastblacks new it had already been sent to the sheriff Principal but when did he know this, and how did he know this?

Well, he new the moment he read the private message of Jim Taylor, we also know that this violation took place within a six-hour period sometime shortly after 6pm on the 20th February and a few minutes after midnight on the 21st Feb.

Mr Fastblacks further incriminates himself by categorically stating that he knows who wrote the submission in the file.

He stated,

Follow this link to their site to find the document written by JD

There are many documents on the TDO website but to categorically state that you know who wrote a particular document without that document having the author's name appended then most people might conclude that you are privy to some other information relating to the Author?

Mr Fastblacks statement wasn't a "might be" or a "could be" it was an emphatic "was" written by JD. The only way he could have known it was written by JD was by accessing Mr Taylor's private message box.

I have no doubt in my mind how Mr Fastblacks came upon the stolen document but I leave it to you the public to form your own opinion?

For those persons who have previously placed their trust in the integrity of an administrator to uphold the law in respect of privacy with regard to intercepting electronic communications then I would advise you to be very careful of how you use private message systems. The integrity of the Fastblacks administrator has been seriously brought into question and I would advise anyone using that website in the future to think twice about using not only the Fastblacks private message Facility but any other PM facility that might be questionable?

Mr Fastblacks stated that he didn't read Mr Taylor's private messages and that he found the document independently while checking up on another issue? What other issue might that be? And how did he do his checking?

Are we really to believe he found the document while checking up on another issue? Why then did he not find the two more important documents concerning Edinburgh that had been on the server for several weeks? If he found the file he stole and published surely he should have found the others? After all they were in the same folder and much more important than the one he stole.

Perhaps the reason he didn't find them at that particular time was because he took the link directly from the Private message box of Mr Taylor? He would have you believe that the document was found and stolen by means of accessing the TDO server and not Mr Taylor's private messages.

What is most disturbing is the fact that Mr Fastblacks has stated information that could only have come from Mr Taylor's private messages?

Mr Fastblacks has offered nothing outside of what was mentioned in the private messages sent to Mr Taylor. One might wonder why this man could not come up with any other information apart from what was mentioned in my private messages to Mr Taylor? The fact is that Mr Fastblacks was totally unaware of what was taking place until I made the grave error of trusting the integrity of his website.

There are several ways of viewing or accessing files on a server but it’s a tedious process and in most cases not worth the time and effort. Mr Administrator said he came across the file while investigating another matter, if that were the case he would have found the two more important files because those two files were first in the pecking order.

In order to make his claim of accidental discovery look plausible he eventually had to offer a good reason as to how he came upon the file? I have previously stated that there are several ways to view and access public and unprotected files on a server but the circumstantial evidence against Mr Fastblacks overwhelmingly points to him obtaining the file from Mr Taylor's private message box. It is common knowledge that there is a MOD script available that allows an administrator to view private messages, TDO doesn't have one because it believes in personal privacy.

In some cases, depending how a server is configured it is possible to view files by just typing the location of the directory you wish to access. Such as the links offered below.

http://code.iamcal.com/php/

http://jan.moesen.nu/code/php/

You will notice you have access to certain directories in the root of these websites and you may also notice that if you click on some of the folders you are denied access. Mr Fastblacks didn't gain access to the root of the TDO website by using this type of method.

Another method is by using website retrieval software such as web stripper. After continual questioning by TDO It took Mr Fastblacks quite some time to produce evidence that he could access files on TDO but all he produced were files that anyone could have retrieved by using this type of software program. It would have been simple for Mr Fastblacks to post a URL such as the ones I posted above but he couldn't because he didn't access the file that way. There is no dispute that he stole and published the file it just remains to determine how he stole the file? My personal opinion is that he stole the link by reading Mr Taylor's private messages and that some considerable time after he used a web stripper to produce links to files on the TDO server in order to try and justify his actions. The time frame of when he first posted the link to him posting other URLs to the TDO website is extensive and to this day he has not offered an explanation either privately or publicly as to the method he used.

There are other ways of gaining access to a server such as using FTP or Telnet but these are user name and password oriented.

In conclusion, it is fanciful to believe that within six hours of me posting a link to a file in a private message, Mr Fastblacks accidentally happened upon that file on the TDO server.

It is also fanciful to believe that two more important documents appertaining to Edinburgh were somehow overlooked especially when those documents were in the same folder?

It is also fanciful to believe that any person reading the document could draw the conclusion that I wrote the document and Mr Taylor and Mr Thompson were somehow involved?

The circumstantial evidence against Mr Fastblacks is overwhelming and I don't need to hammer the final nail in his already dying website, he has done that himself.

Mr Fastblacks may think himself clever by making public the domain registration details of this site but any clown can get that type of information.

Registration details phone numbers and personal details such as home addresses etc could be posted by TDO in respect of many sites including Fastblacks.com, however TDO has a higher standard of integrity to maintain and has a respect for privacy which many other sites including Fastblacks.com is sadly lacking.

I don't need to elaborate any further people reading this post will no doubt be able to determine fact from fiction.

I would just like to say that at no time have I said or implied I have been banned from posting on the Fastblacks forum, likewise Mr Fastblacks has never been banned from posting on this forum.

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So the peeping admin of fastblacks is either a liar, or a thief. [-X

Which one is it then Little Bo? :-k

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The post above by JD seeks to continue the smear campaign by diverting attention away from his actions.
Put simply, once again, there is absolutely no evidence of me ever having looked at PMs. FACT not opinion.

JD sneaks this one in "Discounting third party involvement there are only two explanations how Mr Fastblacks could have go that private information." So straight away he dismisses something on a whim.

Has anyone ever had sight of the alleged PM? We are supposed to take JDs opinions and deductions as proven when they are not.

Another fine example of his deviousness is "Apart from the four emails I sent to Mr Taylor in the space of a few days, no one else new of his prospective involvement in the specific task I had asked him to undertake." Where anywhere have I claimed I knew of any specific task Taylor was asked to undertake.

As I have said, it is not hard to believe that any document such as this on TDO's site would be authored by JD. Similarly, it does state in bold print at the top of the document,

Case Number B442/05 Dawn Salteri
Appeal to the Sheriff Principal
SHERIFFDOM OF LOTHIAN AND BORDERS AT EDINBURGH


That's a bit of a giveaway is it not? Is it an appeal to the Sheriff Principal? is the appeal a week hence?

As regards many of your other claims etc, I have neither the time nor the inclination to wade through them.

This whole matter seems to have evoked a response completely out of proportion to its importance from many at TDO, who I believe, are seeking to divert attention from their own actions and from the real issues involved.
I, and a few others, know the truth of this matter. There is no requirement for us to spell it out for JD or anyone else and we will not. There has been no reading of PMs, there has been no theft and there has been no wrongdoing on my part. Consequently, there will be no explanation from me, until those making allegations reveal their identities and admit their lies are based on ignorance, suppositions and flawed logic.

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