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I have a bernard mansell olkswagen cab,which im really pleased with but for one little thing! My local councill will only license me to carry 7 passengers! ( i have 8 seats with seat belts and insured to carry

They say 1 can only sit in front with me. Something about i might touch the passengers leg when changing gear( what a lot of crap).
I could get quite a few good jobs for 8 seaters.
any one got any advice on what to do?

We have 7 seaters that are only licensed for 6.

red wrote:

1)Take Council to court, ask them what steps have they taken to prevent saloon car driver touching passenger during gear change.
2) Get a local plastics supplier to make a thin perspex partition to prevent contact.
3) Get yourself hermetically sealed into a life bubble so you no longer have any physical contact with anyone at anytime and go on the dole.
4) Ask for, no insist that all local councillors in your area have a phychiatric assement before meetings.
Finally a WARNING. Trying to deal with local councillors at any level can seriously damage your mental health. Their type of stupidity is particularly infectious and there is no known cure.
Dont you just love this as a career. Its all good.

How can the Council be right? There is no legislation on it is there?

Construction and Use regulations apply to PSvs (which can have front setas), and according to the stuff I have read, PSV regs do not apply to hackney's which are regulated by their original certification when the manufacturer applies for general type approval.

I do take your point with regard to conversions though. But if front seats are fitted in the original manufacturers submission for M1/M2 then surely the Council cannot add to that unless there are suitable bye-laws in place to enable them to do this?

[isnt there?
then why dont purpose built cabs have no front seat?

Author:	red [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:	when is an 8 seater taxi a 7 seater?
I have a bernard mansell olkswagen cab,which im really pleased with but for one little thing! My local councill will only license me to carry 7 passengers! ( i have 8 seats with seat belts and insured to carry They say 1 can only sit in front with me. Something about i might touch the passengers leg when changing gear( what a lot of crap). I could get quite a few good jobs for 8 seaters. any one got any advice on what to do?

Author:	Guest [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: when is an 8 seater taxi a 7 seater?
red wrote: I have a bernard mansell olkswagen cab,which im really pleased with but for one little thing! My local councill will only license me to carry 7 passengers! ( i have 8 seats with seat belts and insured to carry They say 1 can only sit in front with me. Something about i might touch the passengers leg when changing gear( what a lot of crap). I could get quite a few good jobs for 8 seaters. any one got any advice on what to do? 1)Take Council to court, ask them what steps have they taken to prevent saloon car driver touching passenger during gear change. 2) Get a local plastics supplier to make a thin perspex partition to prevent contact. 3) Get yourself hermetically sealed into a life bubble so you no longer have any physical contact with anyone at anytime and go on the dole. 4) Ask for, no insist that all local councillors in your area have a phychiatric assement before meetings. Finally a WARNING. Trying to deal with local councillors at any level can seriously damage your mental health. Their type of stupidity is particularly infectious and there is no known cure. Dont you just love this as a career. Its all good.

Author:	Sussex [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:13 pm ]
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I would appeal to your licensing councillor if you haven't already, then go to the ombudsman with your complaint. It costs nothing bar the price of a stamp, but you have to have a refusal from a councillor first, not the monkey LO.

Author:	Nidge2 [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:30 pm ]
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We have 7 seaters that are only licensed for 6, the front pod seat cannot be used by a passenger, over the border the same motors are licensed for 7.

Author:	Sussex [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:32 pm ]
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Nidge wrote: We have 7 seaters that are only licensed for 6. Perhaps the extra seat is to allow for 'managed growth'?

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Author:	Canny fifer [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:02 am ]
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The VW caravelle's up here are licensed for 8 - two in the front.

Author:	red [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:07 am ]
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WISH I HAD YOUR COUNCIL THEN! ABERDEEN ONLY LET GET 7! BUT I STILL DO 8 SEATER JOBS, JUST DONT SWITCH THE METER ON!

Author:	Andy7 [ Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: when is an 8 seater taxi a 7 seater?
Anonymous wrote: red wrote: I have a bernard mansell olkswagen cab,which im really pleased with but for one little thing! My local councill will only license me to carry 7 passengers! ( i have 8 seats with seat belts and insured to carry They say 1 can only sit in front with me. Something about i might touch the passengers leg when changing gear( what a lot of crap). I could get quite a few good jobs for 8 seaters. any one got any advice on what to do? 1)Take Council to court, ask them what steps have they taken to prevent saloon car driver touching passenger during gear change. 2) Get a local plastics supplier to make a thin perspex partition to prevent contact. 3) Get yourself hermetically sealed into a life bubble so you no longer have any physical contact with anyone at anytime and go on the dole. 4) Ask for, no insist that all local councillors in your area have a phychiatric assement before meetings. Finally a WARNING. Trying to deal with local councillors at any level can seriously damage your mental health. Their type of stupidity is particularly infectious and there is no known cure. Dont you just love this as a career. Its all good. Pure Brilliance. With a post like this, you should not remain anonymous.

Author:	Guest [ Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:45 am ]
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your council are correct and interpreting the law right only one passenger seat in front if any, most taxis cannot be licensed for any think yersen lucky.

Author:	Andy7 [ Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:11 pm ]
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How can the Council be right? There is no legislation on it is there?

Author:	Guest [ Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:14 am ]
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Andy7 wrote: How can the Council be right? There is no legislation on it is there? isnt there? then why dont purpose built cabs have no front seat? have a look at use and construction for public passenger service vehicles and lets have your view. but please dont make heavy weather of this, enforcement officers read this and many of our brothers are allowed front seats. just dont push our luck too far.

Author:	Andy7 [ Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:48 am ]
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Construction and Use regulations apply to PSvs (which can have front setas), and according to the stuff I have read, PSV regs do not apply to hackney's which are regulated by their original certification when the manufacturer applies for general type approval. I do take your point with regard to conversions though. But if front seats are fitted in the original manufacturers submission for M1/M2 then surely the Council cannot add to that unless there are suitable bye-laws in place to enable them to do this?

Author:	Guest [ Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:08 pm ]
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Andy7 wrote: Construction and Use regulations apply to PSvs (which can have front setas), and according to the stuff I have read, PSV regs do not apply to hackney's which are regulated by their original certification when the manufacturer applies for general type approval. I do take your point with regard to conversions though. But if front seats are fitted in the original manufacturers submission for M1/M2 then surely the Council cannot add to that unless there are suitable bye-laws in place to enable them to do this? maybe they have the bye laws the metropolitain act forbids front seats. and lots love to be like London be they right or wrong. grants from government stipulate no front seats.

Author:	Sussex [ Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:47 pm ]
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Anonymous wrote: [isnt there? then why dont purpose built cabs have no front seat? Well the one I got in Blackpool many moons ago did, cos I sat there.

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