Read recently about a guy who owns a seven year old Mercedes’ all electric car worth £12,500.
The battery has failed. A replacement will cost £15,000. Plus fitting.
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| Author: | x-ray [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
https://www.abd.org.uk/new-law-means-ro ... justified/ |
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| Author: | Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
Not me. Pretty obvious, really. I have read a lot of information relating to this and the global elite's agenda to get everyone or most people to convert to electric vehicles. It gives governments total control over motorists. An electric vehicle can be remotely disabled and fully tracked 24/7. Anyone who does not recognise this is completely naive or stupid. Take your pick. And for anyone that thinks governments/authorities will not try to abuse this power is completely ignorant not only of human history but also human nature. Let's just look at the basic numbers of electric vehicles in relation to government revenue. Currently, ICE vehicle motorists are taxed per mile. Therefore, the more you drive the more tax you pay. You pay fuel duty on fuel as well as VAT so all motorists are taxed twice at the pump. Electric vehicles??? Nothing. You might pay road tax on it and perhaps some sales tax on purchase but after that pretty much nothing. So if everyone goes electric where does the government recoup the loss of revenue from fuel on ICE cars? With the current system they can't. Hence smart meters. They will be able to discern what appliance or thing is using electricity. Therefore, there will be an added cost (tax) applied to vehicle charging over and above other electricity uses such as normal home use etc. Once enough stupid people adopt electric vehicles the charges will start. This was all planned a long time ago. They are not stupid. However, the good news from my perspective is their plan will probably fail for many reasons. Firstly, electric vehicles are expensive and their practicality is extremely limited in relation to range and time to charge vehicle etc. Mass adoption in all probability will not occur despite politicians delusions on the matter. The basic economics does not add up. Secondly, there is not enough natural resources such as lithium to build enough batteries for the world to convert to electric. Thirdly, the energy grid/infrastructure in the UK as well as almost all other nations especially the USA would not be able to support a nation of predominantly electric vehicle users. You can already see the problems of our electricity supply nationally from the rise in bills from last year and going up again significantly from April this year in 2022. Around 60% of our electricity comes from gas give or take and we are running out of cheap gas around the world to heat our homes etc. This also highlights the absurdity of electric vehicles being "green" technology. It's not green at all when you look at the facts. Lastly, you also have an issue with recycling the batteries. There is currently no solution to this issue. Not very green just like all the "dirty" fuels used to extract all the metals to make the batteries and cars but that does not really get talked about. Some people argue innovation will save the day. Battery technology will improve and someone will figure out to use other materials to make them etc. When you factor in the planning required along with producing the technological innovations of new products the reality is even if you assume these innovations happen in the next couple of years (highly unlikely) it is still not feasible to implement with any degree of success that the politicians are spewing. My advice to cab drivers. If your council is not mandating it use and ICE car or a hybrid if you wish. At least if you want to save your wallet. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
i dont want ANY fecking car |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
Electric isn't the future but this government can't see past the idea of vehicles that emit no visible pollution |
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| Author: | jimbo [ Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
Read recently about a guy who owns a seven year old Mercedes’ all electric car worth £12,500. The battery has failed. A replacement will cost £15,000. Plus fitting.
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
I'm a fan of electric cars and a mate has recently bought a Skoda Enyaq. https://www.skoda.co.uk/new-cars/enyaq- ... lsrc=aw.ds Really nice looking motor inside and out, however I just can't ever see me spending 40 grand on a Skoda. |
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| Author: | Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
If a new electric vehicle can be purchased for around £15,000 with a range of plus 300 miles it then might be a viable business decision. Currently, it's a moronic decision with a very low return on investment with a high degree of risk. It might work if you are providing a luxury/executive service and you can pass on the extra significant costs onto the customers. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
Don't really understand his logic here, but to be honest I couldn't be bothered reading beyond the headline: Owner blows up his Tesla and incinerates an effigy of Elon Musk inside in protest at £17,000 cost of replacing the battery in Finland https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nland.html |
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| Author: | grandad [ Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
Rebel-Taxi-Driver wrote: If a new electric vehicle can be purchased for around £15,000 with a range of plus 300 miles it then might be a viable business decision. Currently, it's a moronic decision with a very low return on investment with a high degree of risk. It might work if you are providing a luxury/executive service and you can pass on the extra significant costs onto the customers. That must make me a moron then. Thank you for your insight. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
I have been talking to my son about this. He has an electric vehicle and a home charging point yet he has not been informed of any new law requiring a separate meter. If this is correct, who is going to have to pay for the new meter and associated wiring? His electricity supplier has just told him last week that his electricity tariff will be staying the same for his night time electric car charger for the next 18 months at just over 13 pence per kilowatt. Regardless of that most, if not all electric cars come with a 13 amp plug for charging from the house sockets if needed so how would that be metered? |
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| Author: | Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
grandad wrote: Rebel-Taxi-Driver wrote: If a new electric vehicle can be purchased for around £15,000 with a range of plus 300 miles it then might be a viable business decision. Currently, it's a moronic decision with a very low return on investment with a high degree of risk. It might work if you are providing a luxury/executive service and you can pass on the extra significant costs onto the customers. That must make me a moron then. Thank you for your insight. Perhaps my wording was a little harsh. I was generalising, however. In some cases it might be a good decision especially if the council are are not permitting older ICE vehicles on the road etc. If you can utilise them despite their lack of practicality (against ICE vehicles) then fair enough. I should have also mentioned that you can only calculate for sure if it will be financially viable after running an electric vehicle until the end of its life-cycle to compare against running an ICE vehicle in real world terms. Calculations can then be made on the charging costs through the years from the fluctuating electricity prices and other expenses. I do think the government is going to subsidise electricity this year because if they don't the increase in energy bills are going to be very high and I am not sure how the general population is going to deal with it. My intuition is not very well. If they do then electric vehicle owners will benefit a lot. But that cannot last forever assuming they do as I think they will. Assuming you don't need a new vehicle via the council going by current costs it does look as though on a purely financial decision it will not work out. It must be acknowledged that there will be some assumed benefits to having an electric vehicle. New custom if you are the only operator in the area who has an electric vehicle. Less time off the road with repairs (in theory) due to electric cars having less moving parts and no need for oil changes etc. Sometimes you can't purely go by financial reasons and focus on a presentable vehicle so branding and other factors play a part too. |
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| Author: | x-ray [ Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
From reading the section on data and connectivity it only concerns new charge points installed after 30th June 2022 (at the moment!) https://insights.leaseplan.co.uk/electr ... rging-faq/ |
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| Author: | grandad [ Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
Here is another one for you. As part of the planning permission for new housing estates the builders may be required to pre install car charging points. I know several here who have been required to do this on a certain percentage of new homes, So what happens if you buy a house with one of these charging points built after the date stated but you don't have an electric car? because there is a meter installed would you be required to pay a standing charge for this like you do with the other meters in your home? |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
grandad wrote: Here is another one for you. As part of the planning permission for new housing estates the builders may be required to pre install car charging points. I know several here who have been required to do this on a certain percentage of new homes, So what happens if you buy a house with one of these charging points built after the date stated but you don't have an electric car? because there is a meter installed would you be required to pay a standing charge for this like you do with the other meters in your home? I would have thought Yes BUT will it be a separate meter or a single meter that can record both separately ? |
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| Author: | grandad [ Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Electric vehicles (is anyone surprised?) |
edders23 wrote: I would have thought Yes BUT will it be a separate meter or a single meter that can record both separately ? |
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