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| Author: | Stinky Pete [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A message from Afghanistan |
Para Officer stirring it for the Blue Jobs [RAF] Emails from Helmand: Major Jamie Loden, OC A Coy 3 PARA. (Edited for circulation.) Relayed to BLESMA - interesting reading. This has been a fairly intense time. I was in theatre for 4 days before deploying into a fire base with the company. So far I have lost one man killed and five wounded. Cpl Bryan Budd as no doubt you have read was an outstanding JNCO, and he will be sorely missed. I have a Coy Gp here although we are lacking manpower. All of our companies now only have 2 pls on the ground. Desperately in need of more helicopters and personally 2 battle groups not 1. My Coy Gp includes .50 cal and GPMG SF det, Javelin det, HCR troop, Engr troop, mor section, and fire support team including FAC. I have 105 guns in support from another location. Attacks consist of regular rocket, mortar, RPG and small arms on the fire base, plus fairly heavy fire fights out on the ground. The Toms are getting to grips with their core business of mouse hole charges, barmines and grenades for buildings, and all direct fire weapons for the assault. The UGL and AT-4 are excellent suppression weapons into buildings but no substitute for a JDAM. From my point of view controlling and directing air, arty and mors is the best way to influence the battle. The RAF have been utterly utterly useless. Twice I have had Harriers in support when c/s on the ground have been in heavy contact, on one occasion trying to break clean. A female harrier pilot "couldn't identify the target", fired 2 phosphorous rockets that just missed our own compound so that we thought they were incoming RPGs, and then strafed our perimeter missing the enemy by 200 metres. In contrast USAF have been fantastic, and I would take an A-10 over Eurofighter any day. To date the battle group have fired over 300,000 rounds of natures up to and including .50 cal. Not sure how much coverage it is getting back there, but at least Bryan Budd has been recognised at least for the moment. I hope to get him more fitting recognition in the longer term. The press report in the Telegraph actually blended 2 contacts together. On July 27 we initiatied a contact with enemy pre-seen. Unfortunately the pre-seen were only 1 of the 3 firing points and 2 of his section were quickly wounded. He pushed forward to drive the enemy back, and personally dispatched some enemy taking cover "in the public [edited by admin]" with a couple of grenades and some rifle fire. I have a couple of soldiers who I have concerns about after some heavy contact on Aug 17 and Aug 20. Even now with our own artillery firing they look very frightened and slow to react. There is a fine line between giving them time to accept what has happened and adjust, and gripping them hard and forcing them to focus. One thing that is not working at all is the R and R plot. Because helicopter hours are so short, I lose people a few days before they are due their 2 weeks, and they don't come back until a few days after they have got back either. This means that I lose people for 3 weeks at a time. Currently 1 Pl have both their pl comd and pl sgt on leave, one just gone, one coming back, they have had a sect comd killed, another wounded, and now have 2 x Cpls as Pl Comd and Pl Sgt - far from ideal. R & R fine for Kosovo or NI but not working here with our state of manning. 2nd Email Some info on 20 Aug as the Daily Telegraph is treating the contacts of 27 July and 20 Aug as 1. I will try and explain, bear in mind my 2 pls are approx 20 in strength, and there are 5 sangars and a second building to man to keep the base secure. On 20 Aug the platoon were advancing forward with 2 sections forward to provide depth and cover to the platoon HQ and 3rd section who were proving a new route through some walls with barmines. Cpl Budd's section was right, and off to the left was another section and a .50 cal WMIK. Budd saw the enemy 25 metres in front behind a bush line, and using hand signals organised his section to attack. As he went forward the landrover on the left was ambushed, despite this he led his section forward with heavy fire personally accounting for at least 2 enemy. Sadly he and 3 of his section were hit although one was only in the body armour. As the section pulled back in the face of heavy fire, no-one saw Budd was down. The other 2 casualties were pulled back, and shortly afterwards Budd was declared MIA. The pl comd and 3rd section had made their way forward, and tried to advance forward to find Budd but they were driven back under heavy fire. By this time I had launched the initial QRF of 1 section to secure the casualty collection point, and the CSM drove forward on a quad bike with trailer and stretcher to begin the casualty recovery. The pl comd moved around and tried with another section to no avail sustaining a third casualty (also a section commander) in the process, and the platoon radio op took a round in the chest but was saved by the body armour. The platoon commander received some shrapnel in his backside but continued. The platoon began to consolidate on a compound as the enemy were now trying to surround them as indicated by their comms. The CSM made another trip out and back on the Quad bike to collect the third casualty, this time coming under fire himself but continuing nonetheless. I began assembling more forces to push out to bolster the position on the ground. I sent forward a section of Engineers with the 2 platoon commander to effectively control the rear. The 2 Pl comd tried to push round the flank towards Budd was engaged by enemy across the river and pinned down. I now created 2 more sections, one led by a Cpl from the Snipers with an Enginner Staff Sergeant as the 2IC and including the RMP SIB sergeant and corporal originally brought in to investigate L/Cpl Tansey's unfortunate death (HCR head crushed by vehicle). The second section was 8 soldiers from the Household Cavalry Troop led by their Troop Commander. These were pushed forward to the 2 platoon commander. 1 Platoon now consisted of 4 sections and 2 Platoon of 3 sections, 80 people on the ground notionally under my control but in reality under command of 1 Pl. I remained on our fire support building coordinating air support, artillery and mortars with the fire support team. We had a second WMIK to the east in the town with a fire team protecting it to observe likely enemy routes, and by now they could see the Taliban were rushing weapons out of a mosque hidden in depth. We began to engage them with mortars. Once more the RAF HArriers overhead could not identify a target, but would have been too close anyway for bombs. Nonetheless they fired a rocket that missed by about 700 metres. Thankfully by this stage 2 Apaches arrived, and I cut them to 1 Pl Comd who was able to direct their fire accurately onto the enemy positions. Back at battalion the Ops Company was loaded on Chinnooks and was within a whisker of launching with Bn Tac, 30 mins flight time. I told them to wait as I thought the Apaches would relieve the pressure. At about the same time the enemy engaged us with mortars, and were clearly getting the base plate bedded in as their rounds began to creep closer. With the Apache cover overhead and keeping the enemy pinned down, 1 Pl Comd led the platoon forward to the original contact point where they found Budd. It was around an hour since he had been hit, and initially had no pulse. He was given CPR and moved as quickly as possible. The CSM raced out on the Quad bike and retrieved him, but the doctor was unable to save him. Once Budd was found and the AH had got the enemy to back off, I moved the AH east to clear the gun-target line to enable us to conduct counter-mortar fire. Thankfully by this stage the Harriers were gone, and I think we had some other aircraft on station but I cannot now honestly remember. The 2 platoons were trickling towards us now clearly exhausted, and if there ever needed to be a justification for the 2 miler this was it. Those of us on the fire support tower were shouting at them to keep running and spread out because of the enemy mortar fire. They were all exhausted and scared, but I think the physicality of it was a real eye opener for the HCR and RMP, perhaps less so for the Engineers. The Ops Company never launched although it would have done had AH not come on when it did. Alternatively A-10s would have done the job. The contact on 20 Aug proves once again the old lesson, that all arms and services must be fit and capable of basic weapon skills and fieldcraft. There were many people on that day who will go unrecognised, but simply volunteered immediately to go out as part of the reinforcements regardless of rank or experience. 3rd Email Ref emotion there has been plenty of tears which as you know is all rather humbling. I have followed the same line as far as keeping them together, and injecting humour where possible. As for facts I have been in the field since July 27th and have only had 3 days with no contact so fairly constant. As far as AH is concerned the ground truth is this. On some occassions they have been excellent bringing in fire as little as 25 metres from friendly pax, on others they have been unable to identify targets even though people are receiving incoming on the ground. As ever they are fairly egotistical people, and are heard to dismiss contacts in the JOC as insignificant on the basis that there were no casualties on the ground. Often the view is different from 1,500 feet to on the ground. However the bottom line is that there are not enough of them, and our inability to put in Farps means that transit time limits their effectiveness. What is infuriating is their refusal to listen to the J2 picture from the ground commander in advance of operations, briefing that they will be over the target 2 mins ahead of the chinooks and then turning up 15 mins early and giving the en all the advanced warning they needed. Thermal weapon sights on .50 cal and new hand held TI sight called Viper very effective as next to no ambient light with intermittent electricity. With no moon it is black as a witch's tit and NVGs are not much good. A platoon fighting patrol was being dicked by 2 individuals. As they were being detained, pl comd saw 7 enemy pax moving into position. Seconds later contact was initiated and in the ensuing firefight both prisoners were killed. The pl comd called in fire mission and launched hasty pl attack onto compound. Enemy were forced to retreat, and the pl consolidated its position. En reinforcements moving in, so the pl comd decided to extract. Enter female harrier pilot. As platoon looked to break clean, threw blue smoke to identify his position which merely served as a beacon to the Talibs. Harrier coudln't identify and fired rockets that just missed Coy HQ compound. Pl Comd decided to continue to move, but as the enemy closed up he put in a snap ambush and slowed them up with a heavy rate of fire. HCR had 1 x CVR(T) and 1 x Spartan providing support in depth that were trying to move into fire position however Spartan lost track and was disabled. THe pl continued to extract with enemy pursuing, once they broke out of agricultural land into the wadi and in view, 2 x WMIK and the 1 x CVR(T) were able to suppress as well as the Coy HQ compound were able to suppress. Harrier now strafed the outside of the compound again missing the enemy by 300 metres. Eventually 1st Harrier dropped 1 x bomb on target, second one missed by 300 metres and was a blind. HCR had to extract pax and sensitive eqpt from the Spartan and abandon it as enemy tried to flank around it. By now arty and mortars coming down in abundance. Thankfully no casualties, lots of ammo expended |
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| Author: | Stinky Pete [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:53 am ] |
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Whats happening here, for any of you with military experience, is that the Para officer is taking the [edited by admin] re the Blue Jobs [RAF] re the female pilot |
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| Author: | Stinky Pete [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:00 am ] |
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Blesma means..... The British Limbless Ex-Service Men's Association |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:31 am ] |
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Stinky Pete, what is happening is our boys are f-in knacked, and they are up to there necks in it and undermanned and the RAF is trying to take them out as well, If the f-in government cannot give them more troops and fully equip them so they can do there jobs, they should be pulled out, I know for a fact the army needs more troops and the best way to get them is bring back national service, and before anyone says how do I know I was in the army for 6 years, they could round up all those Ned's and dole dossers, boy racers and any other scum, and ship them out of the country for training perhaps the desert, and if they refuse to go refuse to give them any benefits, and tatoo ass-wipe on there forheads |
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| Author: | Stinky Pete [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:42 am ] |
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skippy41 wrote: Stinky Pete, what is happening is our boys are f-in knacked, and they are up to there necks in it and undermanned and the RAF is trying to take them out as well, If the f-in government cannot give them more troops and fully equip them so they can do there jobs, they should be pulled out,
I know for a fact the army needs more troops and the best way to get them is bring back national service, and before anyone says how do I know I was in the army for 6 years, they could round up all those Ned's and dole dossers, boy racers and any other scum, and ship them out of the country for training perhaps the desert, and if they refuse to go refuse to give them any benefits, and tatoo ass-wipe on there forheads I was in the Royal Corps of Signals, not my intial choice, but due to militaryIQ tests thats where I went, only the intelligent go into that mob, [really high score], but dad was same mob, and thats what they gave me when I signed up as a boy soldier at the age of 15years old, a Corps to which I now still respect and have ties The British army don't want the scum, if I was still serving I wouldn't want the scum next to me, I dont what them [the scum] in my taxi even now. |
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| Author: | Stinky Pete [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:48 am ] |
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Skippy41 wot mob you was in then?? |
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| Author: | Stinky Pete [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:04 am ] |
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In 1839 to 1842 resulted not only in the destruction of a British army, but is remembered today as an example of the ferocity of Afghan resistance to foreign rule. Some of you may not realise but we tried before with Afganistan, even the Russians tried and was near defeated The problem is re British troops if you are captured by the Taliban expect no mercery, as experienced by the Russian army, or the British army tears ago, any soldier captured will be subjected to being skinned alive, doesn't bear thinking about it. |
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| Author: | kermit2482 [ Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:03 am ] |
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skippy41 wrote: Stinky Pete, what is happening is our boys are f-in knacked, and they are up to there necks in it and undermanned and the RAF is trying to take them out as well, If the f-in government cannot give them more troops and fully equip them so they can do there jobs, they should be pulled out,
I know for a fact the army needs more troops and the best way to get them is bring back national service, and before anyone says how do I know I was in the army for 6 years, they could round up all those Ned's and dole dossers, boy racers and any other scum, and ship them out of the country for training perhaps the desert, and if they refuse to go refuse to give them any benefits, and tatoo ass-wipe on there forheads Yes indeed and i was in the army for 4 years, could not agree more. OK im 36 now and only a couple of years ago i tried to rejoin my old battallion, guess what they said im too old, now surely they should welcome an experienced soldier back as they are so undermanned, and im still perfectly capable of doing a BFT and an ICFT, in boots too not like the bloody trainers they use nowadays
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| Author: | rambo [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:41 pm ] |
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I can just imagine these hoodies in the mob, they would'nt last two minutes!
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