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And am I correct in stating that TDO has never ever said it represented the Taxi Trade?

Was I wrong in suggesting various organisations represent their own vested interests?

The London black cab associations do what it's say on the tin, they represent the London black cab trade.

The National Private Hire associations represents PH operators and a few drivers.

The T&G outside of London represent plate-holders only.

Ditto for the NTA and the others up there with N in.

The GMB (Terry's bit) represent IMO drivers, and don't give a dam if they are owner/drivers or jockies.

The problem I found with the Unions was that their National Policies were more important than the memberships wishes, thats why we re-affiliated with the NTA where support is given if it is the will of that associations membership.

The National Private Hire associations Also has Hackney members :oops:

I wouldn't say "represents" the trade JD, but certain things have been done by certain people connected with this site "on behalf" of TDO members, who they claim are made up of every aspect of the trade from accross the country.

At the top of every page there is a link to the members list.

A lot of information gathered from the "subscribers" to this site are used to fomulate other publications which are distributed at the discretion of the site owners.

you are right Mr T but can you serve to masters.

Charley from bolton

JD I have never heard of TDO claiming to represent the taxi trade in any way shape or form.

Author:	JD [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:29 pm ]
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Someone asked me the other day if TDO represented the English and Welsh Taxi Trade, outside of London. I said no it doesn't and at no time has TDO ever said it does. They then asked me who did represent the Cab Trade? I informed them that varying organisations each with their own vested interest represent segments of the Taxi and Private hire trade and under the circumstances they would have to find the organisation which best represented their own particular views. Was I wrong in suggesting various organisations represent their own vested interests? And am I correct in stating that TDO has never ever said it represented the Taxi Trade? Regards JD

Author:	Sussex [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:58 pm ]
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JD wrote: And am I correct in stating that TDO has never ever said it represented the Taxi Trade? Well I don't ever recall TDO saying it represented anything bar TDO.

Author:	Sussex [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:02 pm ]
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JD wrote: Was I wrong in suggesting various organisations represent their own vested interests? The London black cab associations do what it's say on the tin, they represent the London black cab trade. The National Private Hire associations represents PH operators and a few drivers. The T&G outside of London represent plate-holders only. Ditto for the NTA and the others up there with N in. The GMB (Terry's bit) represent IMO drivers, and don't give a dam if they are owner/drivers or jockies.

Author:	GA [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:29 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: The London black cab associations do what it's say on the tin, they represent the London black cab trade. The National Private Hire associations represents PH operators and a few drivers. The T&G outside of London represent plate-holders only. Ditto for the NTA and the others up there with N in. The GMB (Terry's bit) represent IMO drivers, and don't give a dam if they are owner/drivers or jockies. The T&G represents drivers in the same way as the GMB. The NTA represents local associations which are made up from owners, drivers, plateholders and jockies. So, all of the groups you mention represent their membership which is generally made up from all aspects of the trade, to my knowledge NO-ONE is excluded from membership of any. A lot is made of so called "vested interest" but surely if you are going to attract membership you have to seek to deliver what the membership democratically vote for. The problem I found with the Unions was that their National Policies were more important than the memberships wishes, thats why we re-affiliated with the NTA where support is given if it is the will of that associations membership. B. Lucky

Author:	MR T [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:40 pm ]
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The National Private Hire associations Also has Hackney members

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Author:	JD [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:24 am ]
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GA wrote: The problem I found with the Unions was that their National Policies were more important than the memberships wishes, thats why we re-affiliated with the NTA where support is given if it is the will of that associations membership. Very good but what about my second question? Has TDO ever said it represented the Taxi trade? JD

Author:	JD [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:27 am ]
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MR T wrote: The National Private Hire associations Also has Hackney members Excellent, now have you ever read anywhere that TDO said it represented the Taxi trade? JD

Author:	GA [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:25 am ]
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I wouldn't say "represents" the trade JD, but certain things have been done by certain people connected with this site "on behalf" of TDO members, who they claim are made up of every aspect of the trade from accross the country. B. Lucky

Author:	chazatbha [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:07 pm ]
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you are right Mr T but can you serve to masters. Charley from bolton

Author:	JD [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:07 pm ]
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GA wrote: I wouldn't say "represents" the trade JD, but certain things have been done by certain people connected with this site "on behalf" of TDO members, who they claim are made up of every aspect of the trade from accross the country. So, if I have this right, you are saying, "TDO has never at anytime said it represents the Taxi Trade". That's fair enough. But you also state "that although TDO has never said it represents the Taxi trade, certain people connected with TDO have done certain things on behalf of TDO members". I have to thank you for being truthful in highlighting the fact that TDO has never ever said it represents the Cab trade or has even alluded to representing the cab trade. The reason I thank you is because when this particular person asked me that particular question I wondered long and hard why he thought TDO was a trade organisation? I tried to think if TDO had in the past ever mentioned representing the Taxi trade or for that matter ever purported to represent the Taxi trade? I couldn't find any reference to suggest it had and that is why I asked the question openly. I am sure TDO will be relieved by your candid confirmation that at no time has it ever purported to represent the Taxi trade. I suppose you know the next question that is coming and that is to ask you to clarify these alleged instances you refer to in respect of your observation that "certain things have been done by certain people connected with this site "on behalf" of TDO members? Not withstanding the following facts, that as such TDO has no members it only has registered subscribers, which incidentally is open to one and all. Second, the TDO hierarchy does things in the name of Taxi Driver Online and no one else, if at any time it feels the need to do so. TDO does not represent or have a duty to represent any subscriber to this website. Anything done in the name of TDO can only be done by those who have authority to do so or those who have special dispensation. Even though this website is probably the best barometer of personal opinions regarding the English and Welsh Taxi trade that you will instantly find on the Internet, the rules and regulations governing this website are clear and unequivacle and as they stand they don't include acting as a trade organisation on behalf of others. Regards JD

Author:	GA [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:24 pm ]
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At the top of every page there is a link to the members list. A lot of information gathered from the "subscribers" to this site are used to fomulate other publications which are distributed at the discretion of the site owners. Nothing wrong with that JD ................. unless people claim that no information posted within this website is used in full or in part by the administration. Whatever the owners of TDO choose to do with the information posted on THEIR website IS THEIR business ................ the last time I attempted to clarify exactly what the intentions of the admin were I was banned. B. Lucky

Author:	JD [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:55 pm ]
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GA wrote: At the top of every page there is a link to the members list. A lot of information gathered from the "subscribers" to this site are used to fomulate other publications which are distributed at the discretion of the site owners. Ok lets narrow it down to your supposition that information gathered from this site is used to formulate other publications which is distributed at the discretion of the owners? Just exactly what "subscriber" information is being distributed and to whom? For instance has any of your information ever been used in the way you suggest? No doubt your reference to using subscriber information dates back to the period before you were banned, so can I take it that you have no reason or evidence to suggest that after you were banned TDO claimed it represented the Taxi trade? Or that they wrote to any organisation or body implying they represent the Taxi trade? It would be helpful if you could clarify what you mean when you say TDO used information from subscribers to formulate other publications. You must not fall into the trap of associating TDO with my quota list, if that is what you are alluding to? JD

Author:	GA [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:24 pm ]
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JD I have never heard of TDO claiming to represent the taxi trade in any way shape or form. We are going down the same road as we did before I was banned, the admin claimed at the time to have never contacted councils other than their own on any matter yet various documents including Myth and Reality have mysteriously found their way into councils licensing offices. I don't claim to represent the taxi trade ..................... I only represent the membership that elected me, nor do I seek to force my viewpoint as being relevant to anywhere other than Gateshead. B. Lucky

Author:	MR T [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:47 pm ]
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chazatbha wrote: you are right Mr T but can you serve to masters. Charley from bolton Personally Charlie I don't have a master, but I take you mean can he represent the views of both sides of the trade, and to be able to do that you would have to have meetings, up to now I have not heard of a meeting for either side .

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Author:	JD [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:51 pm ]
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GA wrote: JD I have never heard of TDO claiming to represent the taxi trade in any way shape or form. Well thats what I thought, at least we agree on something? Regards JD