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A hornets nest for 2008 NTA and rear loading wheelchair hc's
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Author:  Tom Thumb [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:  A hornets nest for 2008 NTA and rear loading wheelchair hc's
Lets kick off with a good debate. And lets see if we can resist exchanging insults.

The NTA released a press statement suggesting that councils should not licence rear loading vehicles as wheelchair accessible vehicles. I understand they also mentioned support from ROSPA in this press release.

A) Was this report based on any research as to safety? If so what?

B) Do taxi drivers with side loading vehicles always rotate the passenger 90% and secure the wheelchair properly or do they shove them in, leave them sideways on and suggest they hold on for dear life?

C) Does the NTA receive any financial support from companies like LTI or Cab Direct?
Author:  hopper [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A hornets nest for 2008 NTA and rear loading wheelchair
Tom Thumb wrote:
The NTA released a press statement suggesting that councils should not licence rear loading vehicles as wheelchair accessible vehicles. I understand they also mentioned support from ROSPA in this press release.


I am a member of ROSPA and have not seen anything relating to this in the information they send me.
Author:  brightonbreezy [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:56 pm ]
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Mr Tom Thumb,

Have you a link to the press release?

Regards
BB
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:10 pm ]
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I found this form a report North Cornwall Council did in August.

Similarly, the National Association of Licensing and Enforcement Officers (NALEO’s) latest guidance in respect of passenger seating states:

“Passengers need to be able to enter and exit in safety. So as not to impede access, no seat should need to be moved or tilted for this to occur. Except for access by a wheelchair passenger, no rear facing door should be used by any passenger except in an emergency.”

So it would appear that Naleo doesn't have any objections to rear loading wheelchairs.

Or maybe they do but just not on that day. :roll: :roll:
Author:  hopper [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:18 pm ]
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Just to say, many my local WAV's use electronic tail lifts and this IMO is the safest way of loading a chair especially an electric one. :roll:
Author:  GA [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:19 pm ]
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The subject should also include the discussion as to whether able bodied people should be seated in the same area of the vehicle as the wheelchair.

In to many areas we hear of councils insisting that MPV's remove a seat to allow access ............... yet some of these allow wheelchair passengers to sit behind a row of seats (whether folded or not).

The condition of a vehicle should be the only restriction, however I do support an inital age restriction upon a grant of a licence.

B. Lucky :D
Author:  MR T [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:41 pm ]
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Question for anybody.
let's say you have a rear loading wheelchair vehicle, it has a set of seats behind the place where the wheelchair fits into, in the event of an accident( another vehicle crashes into the rear doors and then goes on fire) How d'you get the person in the wheelchair out? :oops:
Author:  hopper [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:45 pm ]
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MR T wrote:
Question for anybody.
let's say you have a rear loading wheelchair vehicle, it has a set of seats behind the place where the wheelchair fits into, in the event of an accident( another vehicle crashes into the rear doors and then goes on fire) How d'you get the person in the wheelchair out? :oops:


Errrrr :roll:
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:06 pm ]
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This leaflet from the DfT seems to say that neither rear or side loading is better nor worse. :?

http://www.dft.gov.uk/transportforyou/a ... oracce6156
Author:  Tom Thumb [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:52 pm ]
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MR T wrote:
Question for anybody.
let's say you have a rear loading wheelchair vehicle, it has a set of seats behind the place where the wheelchair fits into, in the event of an accident( another vehicle crashes into the rear doors and then goes on fire) How d'you get the person in the wheelchair out? :oops:


How about this question.You have a London cab or E7 and get shunted up the back. This means the two back passenger doors jam. How do you get a wheelchair user out.

In a rear loading Sharan (as we have), the middle seats are tilted forward when loading and can be easily removed.

The reality is, in the worst case scenario either vehicle type isnot acceptable.
Author:  Tom Thumb [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:53 pm ]
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brightonbreezy wrote:
Mr Tom Thumb,

Have you a link to the press release?

Regards
BB
http://www.driver247.com/news/3213.asp
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:04 pm ]
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I saw that link while looking for something else.

Clearly 'councils know best' doesn't always apply. :roll: :roll:
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A hornets nest for 2008 NTA and rear loading wheelchair
Tom Thumb wrote:
B) Do taxi drivers with side loading vehicles always rotate the passenger 90% and secure the wheelchair properly or do they shove them in, leave them sideways on and suggest they hold on for dear life?

I would say if they have long legs that can't be bent, they go in sideways. :shock:
Author:  MR T [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:15 pm ]
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Tom Thumb wrote:
MR T wrote:
Question for anybody.
let's say you have a rear loading wheelchair vehicle, it has a set of seats behind the place where the wheelchair fits into, in the event of an accident( another vehicle crashes into the rear doors and then goes on fire) How d'you get the person in the wheelchair out? :oops:


How about this question.You have a London cab or E7 and get shunted up the back. This means the two back passenger doors jam. How do you get a wheelchair user out.

In a rear loading Sharan (as we have), the middle seats are tilted forward when loading and can be easily removed.

The reality is, in the worst case scenario either vehicle type isnot acceptable.

The London hackney cab (TX1.2.4) is built on a separate chassis it's like a tank.. the rear doors - do not jam..... as for the E7 and such they are just converted vans.
Author:  Tom Thumb [ Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:34 pm ]
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Ok Mr T.

So the TX4 is a wunder cab.

So please answer the question about when you pick up a wheelchair user do you push themup the ramp and rotate them 90% or do you leave them sideways on, grabbing the handle?
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