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| Author: | skippy41 [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Gladen court case |
As the high court has already made judgment on this case, regarding being licenced in one area and working in another, could the same apply in Scotland or are our laws different in this case
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
skippy41 wrote: As the high court has already made judgment on this case, regarding being licenced in one area and working in another, could the same apply in Scotland
or are our laws different in this caseLaws are different either side of the wall, but cases like the Gladen one can have an influence. In fact from time to time you will see judgments from the likes of Canada and Australia mentioned in higher court appeals. Don't think any have ever related to the taxi/PH trade though. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
skippy41 wrote: As the high court has already made judgment on this case, regarding being licenced in one area and working in another, could the same apply in Scotland
or are our laws different in this caseThe CGSA 1982 doesn't allow this. Offences 21(1) If any person - (a) operates, or permits the operation of, a taxi within an area in respect of which its operation requires to be but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed; or (b) picks up passengers in, or permits passengers to be picked up by, a private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation requires to be but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed, that person shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £2,500. (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - (a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
gusmac wrote: skippy41 wrote: As the high court has already made judgment on this case, regarding being licenced in one area and working in another, could the same apply in Scotland or are our laws different in this caseThe CGSA 1982 doesn't allow this. Offences Quote: 21(1) If any person - (a) operates, or permits the operation of, a taxi within an area in respect of which its operation requires to be but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed; The way i read this is, if the cab or driver is NOT LICENCED, there is no reference to being licenced, and working in another area or (b) picks up passengers in, or permits passengers to be picked up by, a private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation requires to be but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed, that person shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £2,500. (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - (a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. In fact I read the whole thing this way, if a driver or vehicle is licenced hack then they have the right to work as PH in any area, only PH have to return to there own area |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:03 pm ] |
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I don't see how you figure that out
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
gusmac wrote: Offences 21(1) If any person - (a) operates, or permits the operation of, a taxi within an area in respect of which its operation requires to be but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed; or (b) picks up passengers in, or permits passengers to be picked up by, a private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation requires to be but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed, that person shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £2,500. (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - (a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
gusmac wrote: (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - If you were right skippy, why would they have bothered to include taxis in subsection 2?
(a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:17 pm ] |
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gusmac wrote: I don't see how you figure that out ![]() Right Gus, if I came up to Aberdeen, and as I am fully licenced as a hack, I could legaly work there as a PH through an office, not that I would want to with them high radio charges Quote: Quote:
21(1) If any person - (a) operates, or permits the operation of, a taxi within an area in respect of which its operation requires it to be, but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed; The way i read this is, if the cab or driver is NOT LICENCED, there is no reference to being licenced, and working in another area Its this first part that allows me to do it, being fully licenced regardless of what area I paid my licence fee's in. |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
gusmac wrote: gusmac wrote: (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - If you were right skippy, why would they have bothered to include taxis in subsection 2?(a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. That means if I am correct in my assessment, that if your driving along and someone waves you down you are not permitted to pick them up unless they have made a call to you or an office, in the same terms as what a PH operates |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:33 pm ] |
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skippy41 wrote: gusmac wrote: I don't see how you figure that out ![]() Right Gus, if I came up to Aberdeen, and as I am fully licenced as a hack, I could legaly work there as a PH through an office, not that I would want to with them high radio charges Quote: Quote: 21(1) If any person - (a) operates, or permits the operation of, a taxi within an area in respect of which its operation requires it to be, but is not licensed or the driver requires to be but is not licensed; The way i read this is, if the cab or driver is NOT LICENCED, there is no reference to being licenced, and working in another area Its this first part that allows me to do it, being fully licenced regardless of what area I paid my licence fee's in.
You are not a PH, you are an out of zone taxi. Your hack licence is only valid in the licenced area which issued it. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
skippy41 wrote: gusmac wrote: gusmac wrote: (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - If you were right skippy, why would they have bothered to include taxis in subsection 2?(a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. That means if I am correct in my assessment, that if your driving along and someone waves you down you are not permitted to pick them up unless they have made a call to you or an office, in the same terms as what a PH operates |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
gusmac wrote: skippy41 wrote: gusmac wrote: gusmac wrote: (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - If you were right skippy, why would they have bothered to include taxis in subsection 2?(a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. That means if I am correct in my assessment, that if your driving along and someone waves you down you are not permitted to pick them up unless they have made a call to you or an office, in the same terms as what a PH operates I dont think so Gus, as the wording NOT LICENCED is there, JD may be able to shed some more light on this, I just wish there was a Scottish solisitor on here that we could consult |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
skippy41 wrote: gusmac wrote: skippy41 wrote: gusmac wrote: gusmac wrote: (2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to the operation of a taxi or private hire car within an area in respect of which its operation or its driver is not licensed if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst - If you were right skippy, why would they have bothered to include taxis in subsection 2?(a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed; (b) engaged on hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there; or (c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire. That means if I am correct in my assessment, that if your driving along and someone waves you down you are not permitted to pick them up unless they have made a call to you or an office, in the same terms as what a PH operates I dont think so Gus, as the wording NOT LICENCED is there, JD may be able to shed some more light on this, I just wish there was a Scottish solisitor on here that we could consult |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:23 pm ] |
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the act says:" within an area in respect of which its operation requires it to be, but is not licensed. A taxi has to have a licence from somewhere to be a taxi in the first place. With no licence at all it is not a taxi. You are not licenced for the Aberdeen area, but you are a taxi. Subsection 2 tells you under which curcumstances you can legally accept a hire in Aberdeen or anywhere else in Scotland, apart from your own area. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladen court case |
skippy41 wrote: As the high court has already made judgment on this case, regarding being licenced in one area and working in another, could the same apply in Scotland
or are our laws different in this caseErrm am I being thick but the judge in Gladen didnt say that did he? CC |
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