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Author:  wannabeeahack [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:17 am ]
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is the term "jockey" still applicable, and can 1/3rd of the takings to pay them be used or is the NMW the legal pay level? (and paye)

"liable for own tax+stamp" is dodgy, can they "hire" the vehicle?... 8) 8)
Author:  grandad [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:34 am ]
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I have been hireing plated cars for drivers to run themselves. I paid for the plates and insurance on the vehicle, to make sure that it was insured, and I then charged a rent for the vehicle and a payment to cover the insurance and VAT. I was also responsible for repairs to the vehicle as part of the rent. The driver was responsible for all the fuel and he kept all the money that he earned.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:39 am ]
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GD, how does the "self-drive hire" by the drivers be covered?
Author:  cabbyman [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:32 pm ]
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We also have 'commisioned' drivers.

Car provided, insured, maintained, fueled, etc. All he does is drive. He gets 40% of the meter. Keeps his tips.

Self-employed status, responsible for his own tax, NI, etc.

To my knowledge, HMRC have never had an issue with this arrangement despite many alleged 'investigations' into 'other matters.'
Author:  grandad [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:42 pm ]
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cabbyman wrote:
We also have 'commisioned' drivers.

Car provided, insured, maintained, fueled, etc. All he does is drive. He gets 40% of the meter. Keeps his tips.

Self-employed status, responsible for his own tax, NI, etc.

To my knowledge, HMRC have never had an issue with this arrangement despite many alleged 'investigations' into 'other matters.'


How can this be self employed? I'm not having a go I would just like to know how it satisfies the requirements for being self employed. IE tools of the trade etc.
Author:  cabbyman [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:52 pm ]
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I think it's more a question of not fitting the criteria for being employed, if you look at HMRC website.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/index.htm

I'll leave you to read it for yourself. Then, if you wish, we can have a go at debating it.
Author:  grandad [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:29 pm ]
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Read it and I would say EMPLOYED. :wink:
Author:  edders23 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:45 pm ]
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A few years ago there was a firm operating out of Stansted airport who ran a fleet of cars with the drivers on a percentage. They sacked one and got taken to court for unfair dismissal the court ruled that the driver was EMPLOYED soon afterwards the firm went bust !!

many firms locally do it BUT you can be held liable for all tha tax & NI that is owed by the driver if they DONT declare their earnings to the inland revenue which is why drivers want to work on percentage cause if the IR decide to do something about it they just walk away and YOU get clobbered !
Author:  cabbyman [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:18 pm ]
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But, our company don't own any cars. All the cars are owned by individuals. Some of those individuals are shareholders of a company whose only source of income is from radio fees paid by car owners.

On that basis, tax and NI liability would lie with the car owner. But....

The driver is free to choose his working hours, where he works and whether or not he accepts a job.

He works on either commission or pays lease money to the car owner.

In another life, I sold insurance and investment products as an appointed repesentative of a well known company. I worked on commission only and on a self-employed basis. Again, the company had no control over when or where I worked.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:27 pm ]
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HMRC are getting hot on this, they want all the backdated tax/N.I. conts going back the max 6 years
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