Another instance of insufficient definition of "work"
Any PH/HC driver can pickup pre-booked from anywhere i thought?
Im sorry but ive seen nothing to the contrary, and London is no different to me than any other place.
so there
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| Author: | GBC [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:56 am ] |
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This was taken from the latest edition of The Dial A Cab in-house mag, Callsign. Dear ********* The PCO takes the issue of suburban taxi drivers working outside of their licensed area very seriously and any driver caught doing so will have his licence suspended for one month for a first offence, with a longer period of suspension or revocation if he offends again. However, as I am sure you will appreciate, policing this problem is extremely difficult as it is hard to identify such drivers. We are therefore looking at alternative forms of identification that would make it easier for the public, compliance officers and police alike to know whether the driver is a suburban or All London driver. If you have specific details of a suburban driver plying for hire outside of his licensed area, please let me know and I will ensure that we act on it or pass the information to the police as appropriate. Simon Buggey, PCO. In Call Sign’s view, a suburban driver has no more right to work in central London than a minicab has and as the writer says, the Knowledge of London is available to anyone happy to spend the time doing it. The fact that they drive the same vehicle as us in not relevant. They are not All-London taxi drivers and I support this woman’s campaign… Alan Fisher |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:05 am ] |
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Another instance of insufficient definition of "work" Any PH/HC driver can pickup pre-booked from anywhere i thought? Im sorry but ive seen nothing to the contrary, and London is no different to me than any other place. so there
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| Author: | acabbie [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:11 am ] |
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fair points made but wouldn't it be satisfying to know the PCO were making the same effort in trying to combat the PH chaps from touting!! I know it's the same old record but once again last night i'm having to drive around and see what is our legitamate work being stolen from us. I picked up a young lady from Regent St by Heddon St around 1am who wanted to go up to Orsett Terrace W2, the clipboard Johnny from the club she had left quoted her £20 for the journey in one of "their taxis".......the cost in a licenced taxi £11.20 (£12.00 with tip).........why aren't the PCO stopping this daylight robbery by these so called licenced PH drivers ? The public are being fleeced, our work is being stolen and the PCO only care about shafting a few more licenced taxi drivers! It's about time the PCO wake up and realise what mugs they and us are being taken for by the PH mob. 
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| Author: | Capt Taxi [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:27 pm ] |
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The reason why yellow badges work in town is because of the lack of work in the suburbs,made worse by the recession. Meanwhile the PCO is still issuing yellow licences for areas which are over subscribed... This is called the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. However,with the PCO it's a case of 'the left hand not knowing what the other left hand is doing...' |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:34 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: Another instance of insufficient definition of "work"
Any PH/HC driver can pickup pre-booked from anywhere i thought? Im sorry but ive seen nothing to the contrary, and London is no different to me than any other place. so there They can; Link! DPP v Computer Cab Co Ltd Queen's Bench Division 07 November 1994 [1996] R.T.R. 130; [1995] C.O.D. 361 Licensing Licensing; Taxis Summary: Taxis; licensing conditions imposed on taxis; whether point of hire commenced when drivers stopped plying for hire Case: Within the Metropolitan Police District licensing conditions impose geographical restrictions on the areas in which taxis can ply for hire. Taxis with green badges were entitled to ply for hire anywhere in the District and those with yellow badges were entitled to ply for hire only within a particular sector which excluded the central London area. It was alleged that the yellow badge drivers had permitted their taxis to be hired within the central area, contrary to their licences, as set out in the London Cab Order 1934 Part 31(1)(ii) . It was alleged that C had aided and abetted the drivers to commit these offences. C operated a system whereby jobs in the central area were given to drivers licensed outside the area, although all drivers were in their licensed area when they accepted the calls; the "For Hire" light was simply switched off. The magistrates referred to the High Court the point whether for the purposes of Part 31, the drivers permitted their cabs to be hired at the time and place at which the customer was physically picked up. DPP argued that the hiring took place at the pick-up point. C submitted that the hiring took place once the driver ceased plying and had turned off the "For Hire" sign. Held, dismissing the appeal, that (1) hiring was a matter of agreement between the customer and the driver. Whether or not hiring took place in an area where drivers were not licensed depended on what remained to be agreed between driver and customer in that area. Once terms had been agreed, the driver ceased to ply for hire, considering himself hired and contractually bound to pick up the customer, and (2) where nothing remained to be agreed then it was clear that hiring had taken place in the area where drivers were licensed. The allegations must therefore fail. Judge: Rose, L.J.; Scott Baker, J. Counsel: For the appellant: J. Carter Manning Q.C. and J Regden. For the first respondent: A. Scrivenor Q.C. and W Hibbert. For the second respondents: R. Beckwith Q.C. and C Pitt Solicitor: For the appellant: CPS. For the first respondent: Charles Patel (Wokingham). For the second respondent: Michael Demidecki (London) Legislation Cited |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:14 pm ] |
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Why not allow the yellow lads to put on an E7 or the like? Then that will set them aside from the greenies, and of course save them 1000s. |
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| Author: | GBC [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:56 pm ] |
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Sussex wrote: Why not allow the yellow lads to put on an E7 or the like?
Then that will set them aside from the greenies, and of course save them 1000s. A simple Green or Yellow widow sticker that matches the drivers badge number could suffice. By law you must wear your badge and carry your paper photo license, a window or plate sticker would'nt be too tasking. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:18 am ] |
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GBC wrote: Sussex wrote: Why not allow the yellow lads to put on an E7 or the like? Then that will set them aside from the greenies, and of course save them 1000s. A simple Green or Yellow widow sticker that matches the drivers badge number could suffice. By law you must wear your badge and carry your paper photo license, a window or plate sticker would'nt be too tasking. Can you not make them wear shrek masks? 
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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:32 am ] |
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Maybe they could have a bell somewhere on the car to signify that they were unclean. |
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| Author: | csp [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:34 pm ] |
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GBC wrote: Sussex wrote: Why not allow the yellow lads to put on an E7 or the like? Then that will set them aside from the greenies, and of course save them 1000s. A simple Green or Yellow widow sticker that matches the drivers badge number could suffice. By law you must wear your badge and carry your paper photo license, a window or plate sticker would'nt be too tasking. Something needs to be done in order to tell green & canary's apart, a simple colour coded sign on the plate or a sticker on the front & back would be a start but i fear this could be open to abuse, such as fake stickers and green badge driver's who rent their cab's out to yellow badge's 
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| Author: | GBC [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:39 pm ] |
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That's why I suggested a 'plate' that tallies up with their badge. This would have to come with a penalty for failing to display, or as an alternative, Cab plates may have to be a different colour, it won't be easy but other places like Aylesbury have a similar scheme. |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:29 pm ] |
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GBC wrote: That's why I suggested a 'plate' that tallies up with their badge.
This would have to come with a penalty for failing to display, or as an alternative, Cab plates may have to be a different colour, it won't be easy but other places like Aylesbury have a similar scheme. Get them to paint the cabs yellow |
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| Author: | GBC [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:30 pm ] |
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Shoot them? 
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:32 pm ] |
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GBC wrote: Shoot them?
Only if they wont go south of the river
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| Author: | captain cab [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:32 pm ] |
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skippy41 wrote: GBC wrote: That's why I suggested a 'plate' that tallies up with their badge. This would have to come with a penalty for failing to display, or as an alternative, Cab plates may have to be a different colour, it won't be easy but other places like Aylesbury have a similar scheme. Get them to paint the cabs yellow You were against colour policies last time 
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