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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:44 pm 
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One of the biggest problems that this trade has.. is that... within the unions.. and Associations.. there is no uniformity in the way they think..... one area might agree and another area disagree.... so consequently nothing of importance ever goes forward....

you have to remember that some of the people taking advantage of loopholes in the law might not want things to be changed.....

Your bang on Mr T - part of the problem is that some things suit some so just as the seperation by LA area causes a lack of cohession, disjointed legislation causes even more.

The oft quoted "workers united will never be divided" for Taxi Drivers is actually "Drivers divided will never be a force to be reckoned with" as far as the authorities are concerned.

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The 0FT had a very big shock when they found out that the trade could unite.. and did not like it at all when the trade brought them before the select committee

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The 0FT had a very big shock when they found out that the trade could unite.. and did not like it at all when the trade brought them before the select committee

Yet it is still the OFT's tomes that are quoted & not the ridiculing criticisms of the Select Committee.

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I was discussing this with someone the other day, and I think a new act could be in the pipeline.

Does you rumour-monger know if this going to be in the Queens Speech or will it be a private members bill?

Not this year, who knows about future years.

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And the EU.. does not allow councils to place restrictions on drivers and vehicles which are designed to keep people out...

They can all go as far as I care.

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In the judgment it is writted at paragraph 20;

20. Mr Hussain and Mr Zamanian were each charged with unlawfully standing for hire without the necessary licence contrary to section 45 of the 1847 Act. Mr Fidler was charged with four offences, two in relation to Mr Hussain and the same two in relation to Mr Zamanian. He was charged, first, with knowingly operating a vehicle as a private hire vehicle when the vehicle did not have a current private hire licence issued by Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council, contrary to section 46(1)(e)(i) of the 1976 Act, and, second, with knowingly operating a vehicle as a private hire vehicle when the driver did not have a current private hire driver's licence issued by Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council, contrary to section 46(1)(e)(ii) of the 1976 Act.

NOTE; Mr Fidler was not charged with not having a PH Operator Licence as required by Section 55 of the LG (MP) Act 1976.

So let us assume that he did indeed have a PH Operator Licence granted by his LA, Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council. And he probably did because he probably operated PHVs licensed as such by Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council.

Now let us assume that Mr Fidler were to completely change his 'modus operandi'.

Mr Fidler surrenders his PH Operator Licence to Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council, sacks all his Stockton-on-Tees licensed PH drivers & sends their Stockton-on-Tees licensed PHVs with them.

Mr Fidler now has no PH driver nor PHVs on his radio dispatch system at all, whether licensed by Stockton-on-Tees or any other LA. And he no longer has a PH Operator Licence from any LA.

Now, Mr Fidler, exclusively & only, engages Hackney Carriage drivers, driving hackney Carriages from any LA in the country, be it from Berwick-upon-Tweed, Bradford, Walsall, St Albans, or from where ever he may wish!!

And WTF will stop him?

Because as the law stands, he ain't breaking any laws.

And there you have it; a really big, huge coach & horses through the whole lot!!

Unregulated to his hearts content!!

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BC its been that way since the gladen case and well before.

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BC its been that way since the gladen case and well before.

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So why has Brian with a Y suddenly, just now, got all flustered & bothered & fully wound-up?

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BC its been that way since the gladen case and well before.

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So why has Brian with a Y suddenly, just now, got all flustered & bothered & fully wound-up?


Thats Bryan I guess.

Nothing has changed, and in my view it couldnt, its just a judges interpretation of law.

The points button made were food for thought though.

Again, in my view they prosecuted the wrong people.

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BC its been that way since the gladen case and well before.

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So why has Brian with a Y suddenly, just now, got all flustered & bothered & fully wound-up?

Thats Bryan I guess.

Nothing has changed, and in my view it couldnt, its just a judges interpretation of law.

The points button made were food for thought though.

Again, in my view they prosecuted the wrong people.

CC

Oh yes they did!!

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BC its been that way since the gladen case and well before.

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So why has Brian with a Y suddenly, just now, got all flustered & bothered & fully wound-up?


Maybe he's just noticed...........

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captain cab wrote:
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BC its been that way since the gladen case and well before.

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So why has Brian with a Y suddenly, just now, got all flustered & bothered & fully wound-up?

Thats Bryan I guess.

Nothing has changed, and in my view it couldnt, its just a judges interpretation of law.

The points button made were food for thought though.

Again, in my view they prosecuted the wrong people.

CC

If you mean what is a council to do when faced with a HC application & the proprietor and/or driver is asked where he intends to work, then I believe Mr Button's point has no validity in view of the judgment.

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And at 41p a time for First Class, that can become expensive.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
If you mean what is a council to do when faced with a HC application & the proprietor and/or driver is asked where he intends to work, then I believe Mr Button's point has no validity in view of the judgment.


No i didnt mean that, and Button gave an overview of future licensing I think.

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