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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:02 am 
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so can i just confirm the worst scenario for me would be to buy a plate for 10000 pounds in harrogate what would be the date the first decision on deregulation would be made you are right i am paying 130 pounds a week to be private hire in york if i buy a plate i have got the equivalent of 76 weeks at 130 pounds per week until i use the 10000 pounds up then i still have the plate this would allow me to build a small business up in harrogate another question i would like to ask is the legality of the following i am a registered private hire car owner and driver in york but live in harrogate can i do any jobs in harrogate by having people ring me at my harrogate address


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:41 pm 
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markheaney2 wrote:
i am a registered private hire car owner and driver in york but live in harrogate can i do any jobs in harrogate by having people ring me at my harrogate address

firstly do you have an operators license for Harrogate? Is you car plated in Harrogate? Is your drivers badge issued by Harrogate? If the answer to any of those questions is no, then you can't take a booking in Harrogate.

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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:40 pm 
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no i am plated in york all my licenses are in york i have only just moved back to yorkshire from the cotswolds i knew i would not pass the knowledge in harrogate as i do not know any of the streets in harrogate but i was a taxi driver in york for 15 years so i had to get licensed in york for now until i learn harrogate and feel confident enough to pass the exams


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:33 pm 
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markheaney2 wrote:
no i am plated in york all my licenses are in york i have only just moved back to yorkshire from the cotswolds i knew i would not pass the knowledge in harrogate as i do not know any of the streets in harrogate but i was a taxi driver in york for 15 years so i had to get licensed in york for now until i learn harrogate and feel confident enough to pass the exams


If you also had an operator's licence in York then you could take bookings in Harrogate, but normally this would have to be through premises in York, so that wouln't work.

The thing to remember with PH bookings is that all three licences should be with the same authority, then you can take bookings from wherever. But generally speaking you would need to have premises in York to get and ops licence there and then you could do work in Harrogate. Seems a bit silly, but at the moment that's how it works. There may be a way round it by getting a York number and diverting it, but if sure others will advise if that's the case, but somehow I doubt if it would all be worth the hassle.


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:55 pm 
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Of course there is nothing stopping you doing pre-booked work in Harrogate using your Cotswold taxi and drivers license.

Providing you don't pick up without a booking.

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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:07 pm 
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cotswold district council said to me they would not let me keep my license if i was not working in the district i did ask if i could keep the hackney plate and work private hire in harrogate and they said categorically no you must live and work in the cotswolds


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:19 pm 
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Not really sure what your point is.


the point is, its not set in stone that they will make it free for all, they say it themselves, they have yet to find a convincing argument for keeping restricted numbers.

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And I don't suppose there's any point asking you how much the plates went for to give us an idea how much the LC's proposals have dampened plate prices.


yup i'll post the prices on here and i'll get lambasted and ridiculed, and give more ammo to the LC, all i can say that i think they went for the market price, and the buyers all knew about the LC, but firmly believe that the council do not want the streets of Oxford flooded, i think its a case of "caveat emptor".

personally i wouldn't buy one, unless of course a bargain came up..


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:21 pm 
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i suppose you could call it "regulatory capture".....but thats not just oxford, its reading, bath, basingstoke, york, manchester, liverpool, aylesbury i could go on and on


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:37 pm 
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markheaney2 wrote:
so can i just confirm the worst scenario for me would be to buy a plate for 10000 pounds in harrogate what would be the date the first decision on deregulation would be made you are right i am paying 130 pounds a week to be private hire in york if i buy a plate i have got the equivalent of 76 weeks at 130 pounds per week until i use the 10000 pounds up then i still have the plate this would allow me to build a small business up in harrogate


Well it would take a couple of years to pass new laws even if it was to go through, and it would probably be a while after that until it was actually implemented, so could be three years or more, but certainly a couple of years at the very minimum.

Of course, you're assuming that you're going to make as much as an HC in Harrogate as a PH in York, which obviously we don't know. You could make more, but then again you could make less.

But I suppose you'd save on the travelling and all that, and would have the chance to build up your own work, and I hate pre-booked work as well, so 100% PH wouldn't be for me =; And I suspect driving in Harrogate and the punters are a bit more cabbie-friendly than York :)

Of course, it might all depend on how far you stretch your own finances and how well you think you can build up some business - it may be more difficult in Harrogate than in the Cotswolds - but you'll know better than us about that.

When it suits the people with the plates they say you'll get your money back within a couple of years, but for a different audience they'll say that it takes a lifetime and more, so the truth is probably somewhere in between.

But from where I'm sitting - and although I'm not one for trading in plates - I'd say go for it :D


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:39 pm 
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Shock horror ! Dusty says buy a worthless plate :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:42 pm 
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markheaney2 wrote:
you are right after speaking to a lot of taxi drivers last night only 1 is aware of the current situation the other 5 i spoke to said they have been saying deregulation has been talked about as long as he has been a taxi driver (25 years) they are all oblivious plates are still swapping hands in york for 45000 pounds


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yup i'll post the prices on here and i'll get lambasted and ridiculed, and give more ammo to the LC, all i can say that i think they went for the market price, and the buyers all knew about the LC, but firmly believe that the council do not want the streets of Oxford flooded, i think its a case of "caveat emptor".


So hardly anyone in York knows about it, but in Oxford with its £100k plates everyone knows exactly what's going on yet they're still paying the full price (which is what I assume you mean by 'market price').

Funny that!


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:43 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
Shock horror ! Dusty says buy a worthless plate :wink:


But it's not worthless.

Yet. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:47 pm 
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I always thought you were of the "your buying a piece of plastic brigade" or are you coming round to the idea of buying a buisness ?


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:55 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
I always thought you were of the "your buying a piece of plastic brigade" or are you coming round to the idea of buying a buisness ?


Well neither really, it's not a business in the conventional sense as it depends wholly on councillors closing the market, and by the same token can have its value wiped out at the stroke of the licensing committee's pen.

And it's not just a piece of plastic, because it does have a value and generates income if the restricted numbers regime stays in place.

It's basically a gamble. A gamble which normally pays off, but people shouldn't cry foul if it doesn't. :-({|=


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:12 pm 
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So dusty, its something you dont agree with, and you wont loose any sleep when people lose theirs,yet you advise someone to go for it ? You sure you dont work in a bank :roll:


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