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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:14 pm 
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You sure you dont work in a bank :roll:



I aint sure he's on the same planet :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:32 pm 
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cotswold district council said to me they would not let me keep my license if i was not working in the district i did ask if i could keep the hackney plate and work private hire in harrogate and they said categorically no you must live and work in the cotswolds

They can say and do what they like, but the law as it stands says they are wrong.

Ask them which section of which act allows them to refuse you a hackney license on the basis of not living or working in the area?

I think the council are morally right to say what they say, but legally they are way out.

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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:41 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

Ask them which section of which act allows them to refuse you a hackney license on the basis of not living or working in the area?

I think the council are morally right to say what they say, but legally they are way out.


But wasn't that the outcome of the Berwick case?

Or at least as regards where the cab is working. I think where the owner or driver is living is a different matter.


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:45 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
So dusty, its something you dont agree with, and you wont loose any sleep when people lose theirs,yet you advise someone to go for it ? You sure you dont work in a bank :roll:


Well I don't agree with a lot of things, but that's not to you can't make money out of what I don't agree with. I was just trying to offer some objective advice.

And I didn't quite say I wouldn't lose sleep when people lose their plate value, what I said was that they shouldn't cry foul.


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:52 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
But wasn't that the outcome of the Berwick case?

As you say living has nothing to do with the council, in respect of working the Berwick case was trumped by the Stockton decision.

Although the Berwick case was super woolly. :sad:

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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:05 pm 
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I wonder which plate prices is being kept up here at number one.....of course by mentioning it, ive actually put it back up there, but its of little consequence.......its like two bald men fighting over a comb ffs.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:40 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:32 am 
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i suppose you could call it "regulatory capture".....but thats not just oxford, its reading, bath, basingstoke, york, manchester, liverpool, aylesbury i could go on and on

'Regulatory capture' is an economist's or civil servant's deceptive analogy of democratic decision making.

And when we get to that stage, we are sliding into dictatorship.

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187ums wrote:
i suppose you could call it "regulatory capture".....but thats not just oxford, its reading, bath, basingstoke, york, manchester, liverpool, aylesbury i could go on and on

'Regulatory capture' is an economist's or civil servant's deceptive analogy of democratic decision making.

And when we get to that stage, we are sliding into dictatorship.



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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:28 am 
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well brilliant conversation on this subject the ideal scenario for me would obviously be to have a hackney plate in harrogate where i am living and then build some quality work as well i think harrogate has got as much potential as the cotswolds the only down side of harrogate is your car has to be under 5 years old where as in york and the cotswolds there is no age limit and because i only run nice mercedes e class cars a 4 year old merc is about 15000 pounds my current merc is immaculate but is a 2005 so i have to factor that cost in to the equation it is costing me about 45 pounds a week to get to york and back 5 days a week so that would help with the finance on a new merc but then i would still have to stump up 10000 pounds for a harrogate hackney plate oh my god my head is banging i cant wait for all these new regs to come in then the uncertainty disappears in the cotswolds i built up a good little business around my hackney plate and towards the end only used the plate on very quiet weeks thats what i like about hackney the freedom to nip out and earn money when you want


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:59 am 
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Sussex wrote:
markheaney2 wrote:
cotswold district council said to me they would not let me keep my license if i was not working in the district i did ask if i could keep the hackney plate and work private hire in harrogate and they said categorically no you must live and work in the cotswolds


They can say and do what they like, but the law as it stands says they are wrong.

Ask them which section of which act allows them to refuse you a hackney license on the basis of not living or working in the area?

I think the council are morally right to say what they say, but legally they are way out.




Sussex wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
But wasn't that the outcome of the Berwick case?

As you say living has nothing to do with the council, in respect of working the Berwick case was trumped by the Stockton decision.

Although the Berwick case was super woolly. :sad:


So does that mean you've changed your mind regarding what you said six months ago? 8-[

Six months ago Sussex wrote:
....it's down to councils to ensure they only license vehicles that work predominately in their area. I can't believe any court would go against a council that did so.


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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:17 am 
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Sussex wrote:
I think the council are morally right to say what they say, but legally they are way out.

Now that really does depend on whether your interpretation of 'legally' included apparent directives within judgments handed down in the relevant court cases, or whether your interpretation of 'legally' alludes to statutes and legislation only.

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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
So does that mean you've changed your mind regarding what you said six months ago? 8-[

Yes, no and maybe. :?

If we ignore the living bit which all of us are agreed on, that leaves the working bit.

Six months ago I would have said that a court will, more times than not, go along with a council that refuses to issue/re-issue a license(s).

The case in hand is a driver that has moved to a new area and wants to work. He doesn't want to pay a £10,000 premium to have his own taxi.

Now would a court agree that someone should pay that money, in light of the proposals from the Law Commission and the fact that no-one has a really good idea of what the trades going to look like in, say, three years time?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Now that really does depend on whether your interpretation of 'legally' included apparent directives within judgments handed down in the relevant court cases, or whether your interpretation of 'legally' alludes to statutes and legislation only.

Not sure that matters.

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 Post subject: Re: price of taxi plates
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:18 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Now that really does depend on whether your interpretation of 'legally' included apparent directives within judgments handed down in the relevant court cases, or whether your interpretation of 'legally' alludes to statutes and legislation only.

Not sure that matters.

Not sure you have an opinion on your interpretation of 'legally'.

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