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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:32 am 
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There's a few elephants in the room.....they haven't mentioned license fees, these need addressed to encompass the true costs of the regime i.e. enforcement.

They don't know how to address the equality act....which will surely be signed off upon completion.

You haven't had the truth in respect of training....how much it will cost....unfunded with refresher courses.

They do know that the HC trade tends to keep people in....unlike PH which they consider transient......

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The hackney trade keeps people in because it's either restricted so cos money to get in or it's 100% WAV which again costs money in higher vehicle purchases. What do you think would happen if it became 100% WAV across a derestricted country?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:34 am 
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The hackney trade keeps people in because it's either restricted so cos money to get in or it's 100% WAV which again costs money in higher vehicle purchases. What do you think would happen if it became 100% WAV across a derestricted country?


I think a few people in liverpool, manchester, leeds, york, newcastle, sunderland, oxford, portsmouth, plymouth and brighton would possibly arrange funerals.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:39 am 
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The hackney trade keeps people in because it's either restricted so cos money to get in or it's 100% WAV which again costs money in higher vehicle purchases. What do you think would happen if it became 100% WAV across a derestricted country?


I think a few people in liverpool, manchester, leeds, york, newcastle, sunderland, oxford, portsmouth, plymouth and brighton would possibly arrange funerals.

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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:44 am 
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The hackney trade keeps people in because it's either restricted so cos money to get in or it's 100% WAV which again costs money in higher vehicle purchases. What do you think would happen if it became 100% WAV across a derestricted country?


I think a few people in liverpool, manchester, leeds, york, newcastle, sunderland, oxford, portsmouth, plymouth and brighton would possibly arrange funerals.

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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent


Good girl, and that means more and more cabs without enough work to go around.

It's funny you mention this Toots, I was thinking about it myself earlier, I was thinking with my car knowledge, mechanical that is, I could drive for one of the new barons and cost them 5k pw, bit of additive here and there, put the water in where the oil goes accidently on purpose and get a kick back from a garage for recommending them to repair it. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:46 am 
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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent



I was referring to those who might have recently purchased a HC with plate attached for upwards of £60K......I guess those people will be really p*ssed when they realise they have 4 years to go on finance and are paying 3 times as much as Olav the axe Murderer from down the road who has come to this country because alexi the meercat thought he could drive him around.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:51 am 
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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent



I was referring to those who might have recently purchased a HC with plate attached for upwards of £60K......I guess those people will be really p*ssed when they realise they have 4 years to go on finance and are paying 3 times as much as Olav the axe Murderer from down the road who has come to this country because alexi the meercat thought he could drive him around.

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Ah, but Olav will be enhanced CRB'd, so Mr Slatislavavitch of the criminal checks branch, what sort of a man is Olav? ah Olav, he be very good man, great here Olav have a badge, later in the CCB, Mr Slats is heard to say to Miss Vlichminka.....those Brits were asking about Olav, I told them he good man, we don't want them sending him back here, so I lie to them...har har ha.


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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent



I was referring to those who might have recently purchased a HC with plate attached for upwards of £60K......I guess those people will be really p*ssed when they realise they have 4 years to go on finance and are paying 3 times as much as Olav the axe Murderer from down the road who has come to this country because alexi the meercat thought he could drive him around.

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I know what you was referring to but after the initial suicides things would settle down to a transient rental taxi service with barons a plenty :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:54 am 
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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent



I was referring to those who might have recently purchased a HC with plate attached for upwards of £60K......I guess those people will be really p*ssed when they realise they have 4 years to go on finance and are paying 3 times as much as Olav the axe Murderer from down the road who has come to this country because alexi the meercat thought he could drive him around.

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I know what you was referring to but after the initial suicides things would settle down to a transient rental taxi service with barons a plenty :wink:



Thx, and that is exactly what will happen =D>


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I know what you was referring to but after the initial suicides things would settle down to a transient rental taxi service with barons a plenty :wink:


Not around here there aint.......we've been dereged about 15 years now and there lots of independants......we make f*ck all money....but there lots of us :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:57 am 
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I know what you was referring to but after the initial suicides things would settle down to a transient rental taxi service with barons a plenty :wink:


Not around here there aint.......we've been dereged about 15 years now and there lots of independants......we make f*ck all money....but there lots of us :lol:

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You're not 100% WAV yet :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:27 am 
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There are plenty of transients in many restricted taxi areas.

Not the taxis (obviously), but the drivers.

As usual you're treating vehicles and drivers as the same thing.


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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent

I was referring to those who might have recently purchased a HC with plate attached for upwards of £60K......I guess those people will be really p*ssed when they realise they have 4 years to go on finance and are paying 3 times as much as Olav the axe Murderer from down the road who has come to this country because alexi the meercat thought he could drive him around.

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I know what you was referring to but after the initial suicides things would settle down to a transient rental taxi service with barons a plenty :wink:

I agree that drivers may well become very temporary in the trade generally, especially if the new Act creates a Hackney Carriage Operator Licence, similar or identical in operation to the current PH Operator Licence under the LG(MP) Act 1976, without any exclusions as presently under the Scottish Act.

That would eliminate individual, independent drivers, like me and others, allow these new HC Operators to charge the same rentals as PH Operators, in Brum currently £90 to £130 per WEEK, and thereby create mammoth plate barons on a national scale, as HC proprietors and drivers leave the trade in hordes.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:40 am 
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they told the NTA they need a very decent argument to retain numbers limitation.

For 25% of the country only. The other 75% have already made that argument.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:44 am 
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but I also wish the entire trade would wake up to what is happening.

But some of the trade will be in favour of what may be suggested.

And if large chunks of the hackney trade didn't view the PH trade as utter scum, then a unified response may have been a bit more likely.

But that will never happen, nationally or locally, and I firmly blame the hackney trade for it being that way.

Again nationally and locally.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:47 am 
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I think it would become as transient as the ph culture is because drivers wouldn't want to buy in such an uncertain market and would prefer to rent

I think we have had this discussion before, but down here the PH trade ain't at all transient.

If anything it's hackney carriage journeymen that fit you criteria for transiency.

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