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Sussex wrote:

My betting is they might have by then revised our earnings. :wink:

Well indeed it seems they have issued a revised Impact Assessment document.

The relevant page on the LC's website says:

"Following feedback we produced a revised draft of the impact assessment stripping out the data which appears unsatisfactory or not robust and to ask further questions. We welcome further comment on the data and would be grateful for further information."

http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/con ... s/1804.htm

The Impact Assessment itself is at:

http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/doc ... ssment.pdf

It seems that for industry revenue they've used the updated version of the figure that the OFT used around a decade ago. Thus it's Office of National Statistics figures for consumer spending, and this excludes fare revenue from business and tourists.

So the updated figure is £2.585 billion, as compared to £1.4 billion previously.

Of course, while previously this was referred to as 'industry revenue' it's now described as 'spent by UK households on taxis', to reflect the fact that it doesn't include all the trade's income.

The 'industry employment' figure has been increased from 37,311 (the IBIS figure) to 250,000, and a footnote to the latter says that "Industry evidence suggests this to be a reasonable estimate of those actively engaged".

So since there are around 300,000 badges in issue they're essentially saying that one sixth of them belong to inactive badge holders.

Which seems to overestimate the number of inactive drivers in my opinion, but certainly more realistic than the previous figure.

Of course, this will impact on the other figures that they've computed using the revised stats, and the brief statement on the website seems to suggest that they've made other changes, but quite what they might be I'm not too sure at this stage.

Author:	Brummie Cabbie [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:57 am ]
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It would appear that the whole Impact Assessment is now being revised as it is temporarily unavailable on the Law Commission's website, having been replaced by the following wording; 'Following feedback we are revising the draft of the impact assessment, stripping out the data that appears unsatisfactory or not robust, and asking more questions. We welcome further comment on the data and would be grateful for any information'. Check by clicking onto; http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/are ... rvices.htm

Author:	Brummie Cabbie [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:59 am ]
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What would YOU think the wording, 'stripping out the data that appears unsatisfactory or not robust' really means. Answers on a postcard please and in layman's language only!!

Author:	bloodnock [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:19 am ]
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Brummie Cabbie wrote: What would YOU think the wording, 'stripping out the data that appears unsatisfactory or not robust' really means. Answers on a postcard please and in layman's language only!! In People Speak it means " It's not what we want to see"..

Author:	gusmac [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:47 am ]
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Our figures are shecht and were going to make up some more

Author:	Brummie Cabbie [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:06 am ]
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gusmac wrote: Our figures are shecht and were going to make up some more

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Author:	captain cab [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:27 am ]
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gusmac wrote: Our figures are shecht and were going to make up some more true.......so we have a consultation based upon a completely dodgy impact assessment......now is that legal?

Author:	Dusty Bin [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:00 pm ]
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So does this mean that the revised version is being revised, or what? The revised version that I linked to the other day is still available on the website: Dusty Bin wrote: Sussex wrote: My betting is they might have by then revised our earnings. Well indeed it seems they have issued a revised Impact Assessment document. The relevant page on the LC's website says: "Following feedback we produced a revised draft of the impact assessment stripping out the data which appears unsatisfactory or not robust and to ask further questions. We welcome further comment on the data and would be grateful for further information." http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/con ... s/1804.htm The Impact Assessment itself is at: http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/doc ... ssment.pdf It seems that for industry revenue they've used the updated version of the figure that the OFT used around a decade ago. Thus it's Office of National Statistics figures for consumer spending, and this excludes fare revenue from business and tourists. So the updated figure is £2.585 billion, as compared to £1.4 billion previously. Of course, while previously this was referred to as 'industry revenue' it's now described as 'spent by UK households on taxis', to reflect the fact that it doesn't include all the trade's income. The 'industry employment' figure has been increased from 37,311 (the IBIS figure) to 250,000, and a footnote to the latter says that "Industry evidence suggests this to be a reasonable estimate of those actively engaged". So since there are around 300,000 badges in issue they're essentially saying that one sixth of them belong to inactive badge holders. Which seems to overestimate the number of inactive drivers in my opinion, but certainly more realistic than the previous figure. Of course, this will impact on the other figures that they've computed using the revised stats, and the brief statement on the website seems to suggest that they've made other changes, but quite what they might be I'm not too sure at this stage.

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:28 pm ]
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Brummie Cabbie wrote: What would YOU think the wording, 'stripping out the data that appears unsatisfactory or not robust' really means. Answers on a postcard please and in layman's language only!! Getting rid of the dodgy stats. Which is why we have the month extension.

Author:	toots [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:34 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: Brummie Cabbie wrote: What would YOU think the wording, 'stripping out the data that appears unsatisfactory or not robust' really means. Answers on a postcard please and in layman's language only!! Getting rid of the dodgy stats. Which is why we have the month extension. According to the Mr RP at the LC the reason we have an extension is because so many people asked for it

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:22 pm ]
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toots wrote: According to the Mr RP at the LC the reason we have an extension is because so many people asked for it Since when did you expect them to say.....'we f*cked up ?'

Author:	toots [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:06 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: toots wrote: According to the Mr RP at the LC the reason we have an extension is because so many people asked for it Since when did you expect them to say.....'we f*cked up ?' Not any time soon

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