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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:06 pm 
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Chances of Doom reading the above quotes on a Tuesday night?

0% at best. :D

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Chances of Doom reading the above quotes on a Tuesday night?

0% at best. :D

That is yet another statistic. :lol:

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Strange how the LC seem to believe the testing process of councils in respect of drivers is all about topographical knowledge - many include various questions about conditions of license.......I dont suppose a sat nav would answer those :wink:


Ah, but if a driver doesn't know the rules then because the PH market is so competitive they can phone someone else next time.

And try the lottery of standards with another firm. :?


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With your way of slanting things Dusty, you would appear to have missed a great career as a statistician - the world just does not know what it missed. :lol: :lol: =D> :lol: :lol:


Well in fact I have studied a bit of statistics in my day, Chris, and did think about wittering on about things like averages v means, sampling techniques, normal distributions, standard deviation, confidence intervals and that kind of stuff, but didn't want to get too technical :D

Anyway, combining that with my knowledge of the trade, at an intuitive level I suspect that collating and quantifying reliable statistics would be such a Herculean task that it would be difficult to see what point it would serve (although not having read all the LC's stuff it's difficult to get a feel for the relevance of the macro-level statistics anyway - whether total trade revenue is £1 billion, £5 billion or £15 billion doesn't really mean that much to me, to be honest.)

Perhaps the problem is that in terms of things like active drivers and full time equivalents, fare levels and running costs, there's so much variation over the country that quantifying really reliable figures would be impossible.

Perhaps the point is that even doing it for one LA would be difficult enough, but since there's 340 or so in total then clearly it's only possible to do it at a national level, but the variations across the country make it difficult to come up with reliable representative figures for the market as a whole.


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skippy41 wrote:

Every LA will have the numbers of vehicles and more importantly the numbers of drivers, on there books.
So if the LC asks any council, all the council has to do is supply them in a like format Drivers 200, hacks 50 PH 100, then the LC can get the abacus out and get the correct figures


Problem is Skippy that what they want to know is the number of drivers active - there are a lot of unused badges lying in drawers, for example - and to an extent how many drivers are working how many hours.

And also what each driver's takings are.

Now try doing that over the whole country and it starts getting complicated. #-o


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Taxi Operation in the UK Industry Market Research Report Now Updated by IBISWorld


Fierce competition between taxis and hire cars for passengers has marked the Taxi Operation in the UK industry in the five years through 2012-13. Revenue is forecast to decline an annualised 0.1% to reach £8.85 billion in 2012-13. Things are looking up though, as the industry is projected to grow by 2.5% in 2012-13. The Taxi Operation industry is made up of the operators of taxis, private hire vehicles (PHV) and organisations that connect drivers with customers and facilitate the provision of industry services. On the volume side of the equation, the recession caused demand for services to falter. The lack of a clear economic recovery has suppressed demand for industry services. The increase in competition among drivers at a time of decreasing demand for services resulted in losses in 2008-09 and 2009-10, with margins expected to be scant in 2012-13. The outlook over the next five years to 2017-18 for industry revenue is moderate. Notably, London will host the 2012 Olympic Games, resulting in tens of thousands of tourists flocking to the city to participate and spectate. This will result in a surge in demand for industry services and stronger revenue growth than has been experienced in the past five years. For these reasons, industry research firm IBISWorld has updated its report on the Taxi Operation industry.

London, United Kingdom (PRWEB) July 15, 2012

Fierce competition between taxis and hire cars for passengers has marked the Taxi Operation industry in the five years through 2012-13. Revenue is forecast to decline an annualised 0.1% to reach £8.85 billion in 2012-13. Things are looking up though, as the industry is projected to grow by 2.5% in 2012-13. The Taxi Operation industry is made up of the operators of taxis, private hire vehicles (PHV) and organisations that connect drivers with customers and facilitate the provision of industry services. According to IBISWorld industry analyst Caroline Finch, “competition between industry participants has resulted in a downwards trend in taxi fares in the five years through 2012-13”.

On the volume side of the equation, the recession caused demand for services to falter. The lack of a clear economic recovery has suppressed demand for industry services in the following years. Unsurprisingly, the industry has also felt the pressure of lower profitability. Finch adds, “the data concerning the number of registered drivers and the average wage for the industry suggests that many drivers operate in the industry to supplement another income stream”. The average industry wage is barely enough to live on alone. This aspect of the industry's structure is the best explanation for the swell in driver registrations during the recession. The increase in competition among drivers at a time of decreasing demand for services resulted in losses in 2008-09 and 2009-10, with margins expected to be scant in 2012-13.

The outlook over the next five years to 2017-18 for industry revenue is moderate. Notably, London will host the 2012 Olympic Games, resulting in tens of thousands of tourists flocking to the city to participate and spectate. This will result in a surge in demand for industry services and stronger revenue growth than has been experienced in the past five years.

The Taxi Operation industry is dominated by owner operators and the self employed. As a result, there are no major players in this industry. PHV operators tend to be larger on average than taxi businesses. A lower fare rate for PHV operators means that vehicles need to be on the street for longer hours to generate the same return. The inability of PHVs to pick up passengers on the street means that they incur higher costs through the operation of radio and booking operators. An estimated 80% of taxis are owner-operator businesses. The higher fares charged by the taxi segment enables taxi operators to have their vehicles off the road for periods.

For more information on the Taxi Operation industry, including latest industry trends, statistics, analysis and market share information, purchase the full report from IBISWorld, the nation’s largest publisher of industry research.

The industry provides for-hire vehicle transport on British roads. This includes the use of hackney carriages (black cabs) and private hire vehicles, limousines and wedding cars. The industry also includes companies that exclusively provide related services, such as radio operators and taxicab owners.


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So who do we actually believe, the Lc originally stated £1.4 Billion, this was revised to £2.4 Billion, now we have these people saying £8.85 Billion.

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When they come out with rubbish like this how can you trust anything they say :?

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When they come out with rubbish like this how can you trust anything they say :?


it aint stopping the LC :lol:

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captain cab wrote:
So who do we actually believe, the Lc originally stated £1.4 Billion, this was revised to £2.4 Billion, now we have these people saying £8.85 Billion.

For what it's worth my view is nearer the £8.85 Billion.

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captain cab wrote:
So who do we actually believe, the Lc originally stated £1.4 Billion, this was revised to £2.4 Billion, now we have these people saying £8.85 Billion.

For what it's worth my view is nearer the £8.85 Billion.



I tend to agree.

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Things are looking up though, as the industry is projected to grow by 2.5% in 2012-13.

Thank the Lord for that.

Very interesting this report has come out at this time. :-k

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Sussex wrote:
Thank the Lord for that.

Very interesting this report has come out at this time. :-k



Yeah.....its makes that impact assessment look very very silly :lol: :lol:

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When they come out with rubbish like this how can you trust anything they say :?

Well it depends what one classes as 'major players'.

There are (according to the stats in the LC report) 155,000 licensed PH vehicles in England and Wales. The largest PH operator has about 3,000 vehicles on their fleet. Which equates to 2%.

I'm not sure that makes them major players in economical terms.

Now in ten or twenty years time things may be different, but as of today I think the comments from IBIS can be treated as fair.

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Interesting though, the LC seem to believe the bullsh*t of PH operators such as delta, add lee and blueline......this cuts right through it....they're wee men on the make, allbeit rich wee men than me :lol:

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