Taxi Driver Online

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

This is going to be interesting and I dont mean in respect of the Law Commission apparently inventing a whole new word in 'dirvers'.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

How much is this paper costing to make all these wonderful savings

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Its nice to see they've done a lot of research.....nation-wide the figure must be closer to 400 reported cases

ffs, i'm sorry but if my kids brought this type of research home and showed it to me, I'd tell them to bog off because i'm busy and simply not interested in anything they do....theyre such a disappointment ffs.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

I know TDO doesnt get hold of all taxi related stories.......but I'm pretty much certain we dont report on this amount of cases of passengers being assaulted by drivers.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

These figures their guessing about dont seem to add up. They stated the following;

8.3 Transport for London reported 111 cab-related sexual offences in 2010 alone, and Greater Manchester Police recorded 98 offences of rape or sexual assault linked to taxis and private hire vehicles in the same period.

The infamous case of John Worboys illustrates the extent to which taxi services can be abused by sexual predators. The black cab driver was convicted of 12 sexual assaults in 2009 but police believed this was only a fraction of the actual offences he had committed. There are also frequent allegations of theft, assault and other offences.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

The entire North West of England has 8070 taxis and 22491 PHV's

Gtr Manchester has 2155 taxis and 9737 PHV's

London had 22558 taxis and 50663 PHV's

Approx figures

London 73,000 vehicles and 111 cab-related sexual offences

Greater Manchester 12000 vehicles and 98 cab-related sexual offences

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Using the LC workings out;

Theres 233,000 licensed vehicles in England and Wales (including London)

5% of them are in Greater Manchester where theres been 98 cab related offences;

If the LC are correct there are in fact 1862 cab related sexual offences in this country each year.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Are we not already aware that "doing sums" is not the LC's strongest suit?

Mind you Taxi drivers can screw up the numbers as well - call on the radio "Room for three over here" regularly sees five with radios stroll on over from the quiet rank used as a feeder.

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Chris The Fish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdlyi5mc ... re=related

They are consistent though.....they were 500% out with the turnover as well as the sexual related cab offences.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

If the Drivers get as bad as that here, a call for three will see fifteen turn up!

I will always say "one" from now on - still get the same five on that call when they use LC methodology.

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Chris The Fish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdlyi5mc ... re=related

I was about to say that extrapolating from London to the rest of the UK would be a tad implausible.

But clearly even more so regarding Manchester.

I suspect that the London HC trade is very good with regard to this kind of thing. Warboys was an abberation.

On the other hand, the London PH sector is very bad, and this is perhaps a legacy of the fact that it was previously unregulated, and the touting issue has always been a particular problem. To that extent using London as representative of the rest of the country might not work.

As for Manchester, the figures don't look plausible at all.

Or if they don't overstate things, then perhaps the London figures understate them.

I mean, the bare numbers for cab-related sexual offences for both Greater Manchester and London are in the same ball park. In view of the huge difference between the size of the two sectors it just doesn't ring true.

Found this stuff via Google, and this seems to be the FOI request that's the source of the Manchester figures.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ta9r2sswxwrh9cq

Interestingly, it says:



Recall that the question asked was how many rapes and sexual offences have taxi or private hire car links. Clearly the explanation above suggests that the link to the trade could be pretty tenuous and thus not necessarily directly involving a taxi or PH driver at all.

So from the limited information provided the search methodology doesn't look rigorous enough to directly link the offences to taxi and private hire car drivers as perpetrators, and to that extent the figure of 98 offences perhaps couldn't be described as robust.

Actually, the LC's IA states, pages 17/18:

Doesnt really cut the mustard really, the LC had enough time to email FOI's to evey constabulary and get the answers; the fact they havent means to me they havent actually done any research. As for the LC statement;

This means that offences which took place against a taxi-related background, but were not perpetrated by the driver or passenger may have been included.

They dont actually know that, they're guessing.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin