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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:03 pm 
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Personally I think Hackney Firms should operate in the same way as PH firms. That to include licensing of the firm, but it was not on the table.
I would support the sub-contracting if the sub-contractor ended up with the responsibility, but that is not in there.

Obviously I can’t tell you the percentage of un-licenced drivers in licenced vehicles, first, it is not currently allowed, second, I don’t suppose anyone has the figures, third, I felt I made plain that the opportunity will offer the potential offender the means.

Fuel is a legitimate outgoing, but not when used for the family shopping. Bus Lanes WILL be abused, to be honest I would consider it myself. Insurance will also often be “missing” for the un-licenced driver.

I do not agree with the GMB stance, so I don’t intend fighting their corner. That said, bona-fide mechanics on road tests are, in most LA’s, already covered.

Finally, “London do it” is not a good argument, I would counter that “London should not be allowed to continue doing it”. The problems are huge in the PH trade in London, after the rape, is too late to amend things. Horses, doors and stables.

Grandad has some good points, but none of them outweigh the potential drawbacks.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:07 pm 
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Amendment 61 which would have removed the clauses relating to taxis and private hire has just been defeated in the commons at the report stage. by 208 to 285.

Sorry Grandad, your statement is a bit ambiguous - has the amendment failed so the clauses stay in - or are the Taxi clauses out?
My reading of what you put says they stay in, Toots seems to think they are out, I think.
CC seems confused as well, so it is not just me. 8-[


Quite right, I thought they were out :oops: I'm starting look like a seal taking my clapping back :roll:

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This is the road to hell - at least the Law Commission (for their many faults) did actually consider national Standards and licensing officers being able to stop vehicles from outside boroughs.

There will be a nationwide search for the PH fleet with the lowest standards - nobody will know who's driving the vehicle (wife, family, serial killer/rapist) because it isn't licensed there anyway.

And the minimum periods for licenses will create turmoil in licensing regimes - with - like it or not - licenses trebling in price - because (like it or not) - licensing authorities do charge for things they shouldn't - and if you don't like it - ask for the accounts - grandad has had every success with his afterall :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:11 pm 
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the deregulation bill has just had it's 3rd reading the vote was 190 to 6 so it now passes to the lords.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:12 pm 
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toots wrote:
Chris the Fish wrote:
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Amendment 61 which would have removed the clauses relating to taxis and private hire has just been defeated in the commons at the report stage. by 208 to 285.

Sorry Grandad, your statement is a bit ambiguous - has the amendment failed so the clauses stay in - or are the Taxi clauses out?
My reading of what you put says they stay in, Toots seems to think they are out, I think.
CC seems confused as well, so it is not just me. 8-[


Quite right, I thought they were out :oops: I'm starting look like a seal taking my clapping back :roll:



Can I reduce the bill by 1 Trout (I mean Toots).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:17 pm 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
Sussex,
Personally I think Hackney Firms should operate in the same way as PH firms. That to include licensing of the firm, but it was not on the table.
I would support the sub-contracting if the sub-contractor ended up with the responsibility, but that is not in there.

I understand that, and you might have a point. However the national cab trade haven't addresses that issue, and that's one of reasons the ministers haven't moved one single inch away from what they originally proposed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:24 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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Sussex,
Personally I think Hackney Firms should operate in the same way as PH firms. That to include licensing of the firm, but it was not on the table.
I would support the sub-contracting if the sub-contractor ended up with the responsibility, but that is not in there.

I understand that, and you might have a point. However the national cab trade haven't addresses that issue, and that's one of reasons the ministers haven't moved one single inch away from what they originally proposed.


Are you suggesting the government don't know about the issues surrounding out of town hackney carriages and the problems councils have with funding licensing departments after the hemmings judgement?

I mean if you were its almost as if the government weren't made aware of the issues by the lady who has now been moved and the likes of the minister who was told first hand - thought we were telling fibs

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:26 pm 
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mind you sussex - when the cab trade is basically run by folk who haven't got a f*cking clue - its no wonder these things happen (NTA excluded obviously).

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Chris the Fish wrote:
Can I reduce the bill by 1 Trout (I mean Toots).


You could have, but, you can't now :lol: :lol:

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Are you suggesting the government don't know about the issues surrounding out of town hackney carriages and the problems councils have with funding licensing departments after the hemmings judgement?

I mean if you were its almost as if the government weren't made aware of the issues by the lady who has now been moved and the likes of the minister who was told first hand - thought we were telling fibs

But none of that really applies to the Dereg Bill, it's a discussion to be had with the Law Commission.

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Sussex wrote:
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Are you suggesting the government don't know about the issues surrounding out of town hackney carriages and the problems councils have with funding licensing departments after the hemmings judgement?

I mean if you were its almost as if the government weren't made aware of the issues by the lady who has now been moved and the likes of the minister who was told first hand - thought we were telling fibs

But none of that really applies to the Dereg Bill, it's a discussion to be had with the Law Commission.


I'm not saying it does apply, they to be are issues of far more importance to solve than what the deregulation bill addresses.

I imagine minicab spivs will be rejoicing at the thought of enlarging their empires - "cant afford a 3 year old PHV? no worries go to Hicksville in the mountains and license your 10 year old car and come back and see me."

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It is too late to discuss anything with the Law Commission. The report is done, the Draft Bill makes up part of it. The "Cab Act 201?" will need to be discussed with the MP's (when it is known who they are, post the next election).

It is too late to Lobby MP's on the deregulation bill, time to Lobby the Lords.

I just hope that amendments tabled in that House will carry and protect my customers.

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Chris the Fish wrote:

I just hope that amendments tabled in that House will carry and protect my customers.

If they are your customers, who do they need protection from? You?

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captain cab wrote:
I'm not saying it does apply, they to be are issues of far more importance to solve than what the deregulation bill addresses.

I think you need to pass on those comments to those that have spent the last year going on about it.

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Chris the Fish wrote:
I just hope that amendments tabled in that House will carry and protect my customers.

From whom?

Your customers are as vulnerable today as they will be tomorrow, as they will be post dereg bill. Nothing is changing.

If an unlicensed driver is going to attack a punter in a licensed vehicle, he isn't going to wait until the dereg bill is enacted to do so.

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