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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:46 pm 
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Taxi abuse fears lead to call for red tape rethink


FEARS of sexual abuse by Yorkshire taxi drivers should halt Government plans to cut red tape in the industry, an MP has said.

Julian Smith has urged the Government to halt legislation which would make it easier for unchecked drivers to pick up fares amid concerns the abuse seen in Rotherham maybe more widespread than initially thought.

Mr Smith told MPs: “I urge the Government to look one more time at the provisions in the Deregulation Bill, which is currently before the Lords. In northern towns such as Skipton, taxis have been a key part of the problem of child sexual exploitation.”

Concerns were raised by the Skipton and Ripon MP after he carried out his won research into abuse in Yorkshire following the jay report. Mr Smith said he did not uncover any specific allegations but came across many generalised abuse issues, including licensing concerns regarding the taxi industry.

“I do not want to cause alarm, but it is a consideration we have to bear in mind,” Mr Smith later added.

Labour has seized on the comment as evidence that a shake up in how taxis are licensed runs the risk of making some services less safe.

Mary Creagh, Labour’s Shadow Transport Secretary, speaking ahead of a crucial House of Lords vote on taxi deregulation as part of the Deregulation Bill, said:

“The Government’s disastrous proposals to deregulate taxis risk putting women in danger.

“Despite months of warnings from Labour and safety campaigners Ministers are pressing ahead with their risky plans to loosen taxi licensing and allow cabs to work out of area.

“Ministers need urgently to review these measures and we repeat our offer to work with them to get the rogues off the road.”

Transport minister Robert Goodwill said: “It is up to licensing authorities to carry out all the necessary checks.”

source: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/mai ... -1-6928186

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Mary Creagh, Labour’s Shadow Transport Secretary, speaking ahead of a crucial House of Lords vote on taxi deregulation as part of the Deregulation Bill, said:

“The Government’s disastrous proposals to deregulate taxis risk putting women in danger.

“Despite months of warnings from Labour and safety campaigners Ministers are pressing ahead with their risky plans to loosen taxi licensing and allow cabs to work out of area.

“Ministers need urgently to review these measures and we repeat our offer to work with them to get the rogues off the road.”


Yeah, don't you just love Labour - the deregulation bill was so important they couldn't be bothered to attend the NTA conference.

looks like she was in the north on Monday;

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busi ... -1-6919985

and Newcastle on Tuesday;

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor ... th-8016198

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:22 am 
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The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a private hire operator passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Private Hire Operator.
All of which are legal and all no different to what is being proposed.
He only has a problem with a Private Hire operator passing work to an out of town Private Hire operator.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:50 pm 
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grandad wrote:
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a private hire operator passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Private Hire Operator.
All of which are legal and all no different to what is being proposed.
He only has a problem with a Private Hire operator passing work to an out of town Private Hire operator.

What happens when a big p/h/op opens up in your area using another p/h co that he has registered,Which is simply a booking transfer office ...not manned..

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:53 pm 
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MR T wrote:
grandad wrote:
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a private hire operator passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Private Hire Operator.
All of which are legal and all no different to what is being proposed.
He only has a problem with a Private Hire operator passing work to an out of town Private Hire operator.

What happens when a big p/h/op opens up in your area using another p/h co that he has registered,Which is simply a booking transfer office ...not manned..

We already have one.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:11 pm 
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grandad wrote:
MR T wrote:
grandad wrote:
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a private hire operator passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Private Hire Operator.
All of which are legal and all no different to what is being proposed.
He only has a problem with a Private Hire operator passing work to an out of town Private Hire operator.

What happens when a big p/h/op opens up in your area using another p/h co that he has registered,Which is simply a booking transfer office ...not manned..

We already have one.

Now you will have more.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:26 pm 
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grandad wrote:
MR T wrote:
grandad wrote:
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a private hire operator passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Hackney.
The right Honorable MP does not seem to have a problem with a Hackney passing work to an out of town Private Hire Operator.
All of which are legal and all no different to what is being proposed.
He only has a problem with a Private Hire operator passing work to an out of town Private Hire operator.

What happens when a big p/h/op opens up in your area using another p/h co that he has registered,Which is simply a booking transfer office ...not manned..

We already have one.

We don't in Sefton and Liverpool because now it's illegal .

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:00 pm 
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We don't in Sefton and Liverpool because now it's illegal .


yeah but that don't concern grandad, so he aint bothered, but those pesky licensing officers not accepting his driver not producing a DBS,

other drivers selling food,

other companies retaining drivers with contracts,

his drivers being pulled by the police, his drivers refusing fares,

his licensing fees,

his local lawbreaker from rutland who gets under his skin,

his vehicle plate working whilst expired......dunno about you, but there's a pattern :roll: :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:27 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
MR T wrote:
We don't in Sefton and Liverpool because now it's illegal .


yeah but that don't concern grandad, so he aint bothered, but those pesky licensing officers not accepting his driver not producing a DBS,

other drivers selling food,

other companies retaining drivers with contracts,

his drivers being pulled by the police, his drivers refusing fares,

his licensing fees,

his local lawbreaker from rutland who gets under his skin,

his vehicle plate working whilst expired......dunno about you, but there's a pattern :roll: :roll: :roll:

No answer to the real issue then?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:43 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
MR T wrote:
We don't in Sefton and Liverpool because now it's illegal .


yeah but that don't concern grandad, so he aint bothered, but those pesky licensing officers not accepting his driver not producing a DBS,

other drivers selling food,

other companies retaining drivers with contracts,

his drivers being pulled by the police, his drivers refusing fares,

his licensing fees,

his local lawbreaker from rutland who gets under his skin,

his vehicle plate working whilst expired......dunno about you, but there's a pattern :roll: :roll: :roll:

It just seems to me ..He is careful not to upset the big boys....that would never do..

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grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:
MR T wrote:
We don't in Sefton and Liverpool because now it's illegal .


yeah but that don't concern grandad, so he aint bothered, but those pesky licensing officers not accepting his driver not producing a DBS,

other drivers selling food,

other companies retaining drivers with contracts,

his drivers being pulled by the police, his drivers refusing fares,

his licensing fees,

his local lawbreaker from rutland who gets under his skin,

his vehicle plate working whilst expired......dunno about you, but there's a pattern :roll: :roll: :roll:

No answer to the real issue then?


What real issue? According to you there isn't one :?

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No answer to the real issue then?


What real issue? According to you there isn't one :?

The real issue is that with 3 already legal ways for licensed vehicles and drivers to be used across borders, why is this last one so much more "dangerous"?

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Surely with uniform licencing regulations across the country and the ability of any area's LO's to check any vehicles, there shouldn't be any problems?


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Surely with uniform licencing regulations across the country and the ability of any area's LO's to check any vehicles, there shouldn't be any problems?

I would totally agree with that Roy. It is a pity that the ability for any area's LO's to check any vehicles was not part of the bill.

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No answer to the real issue then?


What real issue? According to you there isn't one :?

The real issue is that with 3 already legal ways for licensed vehicles and drivers to be used across borders, why is this last one so much more "dangerous"?


Perhaps the question should be why are there already 3 different legal ways for cross border and what are the safety implications of that?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:34 pm 
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The real issue is that with 3 already legal ways for licensed vehicles and drivers to be used across borders, why is this last one so much more "dangerous"?


Perhaps the question should be why are there already 3 different legal ways for cross border and what are the safety implications of that?

That question has not been raised by any of the groups that are objecting to the new proposals so it doesn't seem to be an issue. Do you have an answer to why this proposal is more dangerous than than the other 3?
Perhaps most of the objections are based on certain groups wanting to keep the status quo as a form of protectionism from extra competition.

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The real issue is that with 3 already legal ways for licensed vehicles and drivers to be used across borders, why is this last one so much more "dangerous"?

It's not more dangerous, but most (but not all) of the so-called leadership of the taxi/PH trade haven't got a clue about cross border anyway.

I still struggle to understand why the PH trade need to record details of radio work, whereas the hackney trade don't.

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The real issue is that with 3 already legal ways for licensed vehicles and drivers to be used across borders, why is this last one so much more "dangerous"?


Perhaps the question should be why are there already 3 different legal ways for cross border and what are the safety implications of that?

That question has not been raised by any of the groups that are objecting to the new proposals so it doesn't seem to be an issue. Do you have an answer to why this proposal is more dangerous than than the other 3?
Perhaps most of the objections are based on certain groups wanting to keep the status quo as a form of protectionism from extra competition.


My objection was to the fact that they were prepared to allow anybody to drive a licensed vehicle. Imo cross border wouldn't be a problem if it was purely to assist each other, but, as it will enable drivers licensed in one area to work in another it is a concern because they haven't suggested that LOs from area A will be able to check drivers from area B. I guess if they allow that I would feel happier.

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My objection was to the fact that they were prepared to allow anybody to drive a licensed vehicle. Imo cross border wouldn't be a problem if it was purely to assist each other, but, as it will enable drivers licensed in one area to work in another it is a concern because they haven't suggested that LOs from area A will be able to check drivers from area B. I guess if they allow that I would feel happier.

Well the issue of anyone driving has been resolved. The current situation is that there are 3 ways for drivers licensed in one area to legally work in another. It could be said that it will be safer for a private Hire operator to use another Private Hire operator from another area because at least that journey will be recorded. If a Hackney driver subs the job to a Private hire operator, The Hackney driver does not need to keep any details.

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grandad wrote:
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My objection was to the fact that they were prepared to allow anybody to drive a licensed vehicle. Imo cross border wouldn't be a problem if it was purely to assist each other, but, as it will enable drivers licensed in one area to work in another it is a concern because they haven't suggested that LOs from area A will be able to check drivers from area B. I guess if they allow that I would feel happier.

Well the issue of anyone driving has been resolved. The current situation is that there are 3 ways for drivers licensed in one area to legally work in another. It could be said that it will be safer for a private Hire operator to use another Private Hire operator from another area because at least that journey will be recorded. If a Hackney driver subs the job to a Private hire operator, The Hackney driver does not need to keep any details.


Yeah but the private hire operator does :wink:

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