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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:22 am 
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I struggle to see how they can put in place the 3-year licensing section this year.

The new fees will need to be assessed, consulted on and advertised before they can come into place.

In local government nothing happens during the summer, so I suspect even if the Secretary of State said they will come in tomorrow, I doubt it will be this year before it actually happens.

And I think both sections will come in together, so that will possibly mean a delay to the cross border section.

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Sussex wrote:
And I think both sections will come in together, so that will possibly mean a delay to the cross border section.


I like your optimism, but, previously hasn't licensing regulation and laws come in piecemeal.

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I like your optimism, but, previously hasn't licensing regulation and laws come in piecemeal.

Who knows, but I think the reason I'm optimistic is I don't think the world will end via the cross border provisions in the Dereg Bill.

Down here elements of the trade are indeed in panic mode, but I think they are getting confused with the proposals from the Law Commission.

The Dereg Bill/Act states;

55ASub-contracting by operators

(1)A person licensed under section 55 who has in a controlled district accepted a booking for a private hire vehicle may arrange for another person to provide a vehicle to carry out the booking if—
(a)the other person is licensed under section 55 in respect of the same controlled district and the sub-contracted booking is accepted in that district;
(b)the other person is licensed under section 55 in respect of another controlled district and the sub-contracted booking is accepted in that district;
(c)the other person is a London PHV operator and the sub-contracted booking is accepted at an operating centre in London; or
(d)the other person accepts the sub-contracted booking in Scotland.


Highlighted and underlined is basically the new bit, that clause isn't going to be used by large call centers dishing out work direct to non local drivers.

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ROYAL ASSENT
Mr Speaker: I have to acquaint the House that the House has been to the House of Peers where a Commission under the Great Seal was read, authorising the Royal Assent to the following Acts:
Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2015
Finance Act 2015
International Development (Official Development Assistance Target) Act 2015
Mutuals’ Deferred Shares Act 2015
House of Lords (Expulsion and Suspension) Act 2015
Consumer Rights Act 2015
Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015
Self-build and Custom Housebuilding Act 2015
Lords Spiritual (Women) Act 2015
Armed Forces (Service Complaints and Financial Assistance) Act 2015
Deregulation Act 2015
Corporation Tax (Northern Ireland) Act 2015
Local Government (Review of Decisions) Act 2015
Control of Horses Act 2015
House of Commons Commission Act 2015
Recall of MPs Act 2015
Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Act 2015
Local Government (Religious etc. Observances) Act 2015
Health and Social Care (Safety and Quality) Act 2015
Health Service Commissioner for England (Complaint Handling) Act 2015
Modern Slavery Act 2015
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:04 pm 
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Thr Deregulation Bill did indeed get
Royal Assent yesterday. We now await the commencement date which may be as far away as
October or even longer.


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mancityfan wrote:
Thr Deregulation Bill did indeed get
Royal Assent yesterday. We now await the commencement date which may be as far away as
October or even longer.


Can you say why/how you came up with 'October or even longer' please, MCF?

I am embroiled with attempting to explain one or two basics to a local muppet who appears to think that things are going to happen within weeks!

Any other guidance/opinions from others?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:04 pm 
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Ah, answered my own question!

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/994/made

It looks like 1st October is the day.


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cabbyman wrote:

It looks like 1st October is the day.

Gutted or what. Our private Hire Operators License is due for renewal on September 22nd.

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grandad wrote:
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It looks like 1st October is the day.

Gutted or what. Our private Hire Operators License is due for renewal on September 22nd.

Remind me what difference that makes?

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Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
It looks like 1st October is the day.

Gutted or what. Our private Hire Operators License is due for renewal on September 22nd.

Remind me what difference that makes?

Currently we can only have a 2 year operators license but after 1st October, presumably we should get a 5 year license.

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Well when you are on the council you can speed up it's implementation.

Nothing stopping your council offering 5 year licenses now.

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Sussex wrote:
Well when you are on the council you can speed up it's implementation.

Nothing stopping your council offering 5 year licenses now.

As it stands at the the moment, I think they want to keep things as they are regardless. The Councilors seem to believe what they are told by the licensing department. They never question anything without a prompt.

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grandad wrote:
As it stands at the the moment, I think they want to keep things as they are regardless. The Councilors seem to believe what they are told by the licensing department. They never question anything without a prompt.


we gathered that with the way they do your fees :wink: (and they aint alone)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:19 am 
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grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Well when you are on the council you can speed up it's implementation.

Nothing stopping your council offering 5 year licenses now.

As it stands at the the moment, I think they want to keep things as they are regardless. The Councilors seem to believe what they are told by the licensing department. They never question anything without a prompt.


Well it's time to put the pressure on, start requesting it now, use a little bluff,say it's passed royal assent,your council are not the brightest they may not know it starts on the 1st of October,and this is not set in stone, after the election a new Government Minister could remove this Statutory Instrument with a flick of his wrist.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:51 am 
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mancityfan wrote:
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Well when you are on the council you can speed up it's implementation.

Nothing stopping your council offering 5 year licenses now.

As it stands at the the moment, I think they want to keep things as they are regardless. The Councilors seem to believe what they are told by the licensing department. They never question anything without a prompt.


Well it's time to put the pressure on, start requesting it now, use a little bluff,say it's passed royal assent,your council are not the brightest they may not know it starts on the 1st of October,and this is not set in stone, after the election a new Government Minister could remove this Statutory Instrument with a flick of his wrist.

I will wait until after the election because who knows, i may get elected. :mrgreen:

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Can we have a little wager on the number of councils that simply issue a 3 year badge and multiply the annual cost by 3 ?

keep voting fools

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Sussex wrote:
toots wrote:
I like your optimism, but, previously hasn't licensing regulation and laws come in piecemeal.

Who knows, but I think the reason I'm optimistic is I don't think the world will end via the cross border provisions in the Dereg Bill.

Down here elements of the trade are indeed in panic mode, but I think they are getting confused with the proposals from the Law Commission.

The Dereg Bill/Act states;

55ASub-contracting by operators

(1)A person licensed under section 55 who has in a controlled district accepted a booking for a private hire vehicle may arrange for another person to provide a vehicle to carry out the booking if—
(a)the other person is licensed under section 55 in respect of the same controlled district and the sub-contracted booking is accepted in that district;
(b)the other person is licensed under section 55 in respect of another controlled district and the sub-contracted booking is accepted in that district;
(c)the other person is a London PHV operator and the sub-contracted booking is accepted at an operating centre in London; or
(d)the other person accepts the sub-contracted booking in Scotland.


Highlighted and underlined is basically the new bit, that clause isn't going to be used by large call centers dishing out work direct to non local drivers.


Tell that to Uber, they're already doing it, Stockport,Salford,Bolton and even Leeds taking fares in the City of Manchester


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Can we have a little wager on the number of councils that simply issue a 3 year badge and multiply the annual cost by 3 ?

keep voting fools

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Tell that to Uber, they're already doing it, Stockport,Salford,Bolton and even Leeds taking fares in the City of Manchester

But if the work is being dispatched via a server in the local licensing area it's legal.

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Sussex wrote:
silvercab wrote:
Tell that to Uber, they're already doing it, Stockport,Salford,Bolton and even Leeds taking fares in the City of Manchester

But if the work is being dispatched via a server in the local licensing area it's legal.

I may be wrong but I think the suggestion is that either the bookings are being taken in Manchester and passed to PH drivers from the other areas or that the bookings are being taken in the other areas and passed to Manchester PH drivers. Both of which are currently illegal.

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