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See I can't fathom why the SNP want to wait, unless they are running scared?

The PM is only saying what he is out of duty to his party and their Scottish members, but deep down if Scotland goes its own way he knows there will be about 40 less Labour MPs at Westminster.

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We have 5 years lets prove within a majority government that we can deliver, we did it with a minority and look at that result

i couldn't be more clearer, there is no rush and certainly no fear

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

Why not? We've waited over 300 years.
Whats another 4 or 5?

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I just find it weird that the Scots want to wait to get their freedom.

Folks around the world are dying for that right, but the Scots are just happy to plod on.

Very strange.

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Spot on Sussex look what happened with develoution up here.

Scottish and Newcastle brewries nomore.Ethicon nomore just 2 of Edinburghs major employers who told staff what would happen with the yes vote back then.

Imagine what the top finanace companies would do with full independace?
The specky ones could change the lyrics too Scotland no-more.

How can you be sure that wouldn't have happened anyway?
Plenty of companies south of the border have done the same thing, without playing politics during a referendum.

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True, but what's been stated with certainty is that Sean Connery will return from his tropical island/taxi haven if Scotland gets independence, which must be the best argument for retaining the United Kingdom.

But I suspect he'd find an excuse not to come back anyway, just like Alex Salmond delaying his referendum.

Where did those two Edinburgh institutions move headquarters and 98% of manufacturing then?

It wasn't out of the uk.

No?
http://news.scotsman.com/ethicon/Ethico ... 2431647.jp


Now where exactly is Puerto Rico?

BTW you didn't answer my question.
How can you be sure that wouldn't have happened anyway?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_&_Newcastle

I suspect their move was motivated by costs, more associated with their aquisition of Courage and a need to be nearer the core of the new business, than any additional costs incurred by having a Scottish parliament.

BTW, had they stayed put, do you suppose Heineken or Carlsberg would have retained the Edinburgh operation?

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Now I ain't going to read what the local rag said but let me tell you all work was transferred to maidenhead.
The catgut dept(46 employees in 1998) of sutures ie cows intestines were moved to other countries but needle attatching off micro-resin what made up 95% of Ethicons sales went south of the border.
As for S+n they shafted the employees and devo imho was the straw that broke the camels back.

How can one be sure of anything in politics?
But when senior managment tell the employees of the companies whats around the corner and the politicians say the oppisite I know now who I would believe afterall it went against the 5 year buisness plan J+J had for ethicon.
So you tell me what will keep the big Financial institutions in Scotland after independance again imho Edinburgh will be a ghost town.

Ethicon and S&N were business decisions, nothing more, nothing less.

S&N was a very successful company, capable of returning profit, eventually gets taken over by a bigger fish in the pond. S&N had grown to the point where it was no longer sustainable as a separate entity, competeting with real big boys (or girls for that matter). (BOS was the same. The Halifax marriage an attempt to swim against the tide)

The above is what happens in global capitalism.

I hd a few of my family who worked for many years with Ethicon. My neighnour currently does too.

Eticon is a multi-national global company. It places production where it can maximise profit. And cheap labour helps them do just that.

Our politicians are impotent. Whatever they claim, it's bollocks.

Unless Salmond is prepared to subsidise the big boys, to buy jobs, these guys will off to the highest bidder.

The question is: How much cansalmond - us in reality - afford to give to the already grasping big boys for them to deign to let us work for them?

Capitalism is in crisis. It eithe just doesn't know it, or hasn't realised it yet.

The more it cranks up its control, the faster its crisis looms.

Indeed, and I think that's why Salmond has been getting his knickers in a knot in the last few days about Scotland having a reduced rate of corporation tax - that would help retain businesses in Scotland and help attract others, as Ireland did.

He's been saying it would be 'unacceptable' for Scotland not to be given powers over corporation tax after the election mandate.

Oh aye, they never stopped going on about corporation taxes during the election campaign. Not.

Looks like he's panicking in case the threat of independence deters inward investment, but apparently the EU don't like taxes like this - it's like an indirect state subsidy - so they're apparently putting pressure on Ireland as part of its bail-out.

I think Alex is a decade late at least with that one.

Try speaking to some-one like Colin Morgan then about it,as you say your family will know who he is ,I too worked at ethicon along with 6 other members of my family and yes Ethicon are part of J+J who are the multi-national global company and when our US parent company found out what was going on they pulled the plug along with countless others like IBM,Hewlett Packard and many more US based companies.
The reason? taxation,taxation,taxation and the couldn't trust us to keep OUR house in order.

Just an excuse to transfer jobs to where the costs are lowest.
They would have done it anyway, regardless of which way the devolution vote had gone.

The rates of taxation are the same in Scotland as they are elsewhere in the UK, so that scuppers your Maidenhead theory.

Big business prefer right wing governments. They interfere less in the profit making process. Tories opposed the minimum wage, curtailed the power of the unions, rejected the working time directive and anything else which could improve the lot of workers at the expense of profits
It won't be lost on them that their Tory friends will never run Scotland, devolved or independent.
That is why almost all of them trotted out tales of doom and gloom during the devolution referendum and why they will do so again during the Independence debate.

BTW it's a pity the big finance institutions, most of which lined up against devolution, didn't bother to tell anyone that their commercial greed would plunge the world into the worst economic situation since the great depression and bring the entire country to it's knees.
Bailing them out has done far more damage to the UK economy than anything Holyrood has ever done.

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