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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:17 am 
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Cardiff taxi drivers told to demand fees upfront after spate of fare dodgers


CARDIFF’S cabbies have been told by a trade leader to demand fares upfront following a surge in late-night passengers running off with out paying.

Hackney carriage drivers say they are losing “hundreds of thousands of pounds a year” from punters “doing a runner” at the end of their journey.

Mathab Khan, chairman of the Cardiff Hackney Carriage Association, said cabbies had grown frustrated at a lack of response from the police and Cardiff council over the problem.

He has instructed his members to ask to be paid before the start of a journey if they have concerns the passenger might fail to pay. If the customer then refuses to pay, Mr Khan said drivers should refuse the fare.

The council’s licensing boss, however, last night said drivers who refused fares without a reasonable excuse would be committing an offence.

Mr Khan said: “It happens every day in Cardiff. They are doing it because they know that they will disappear into thin air and get away with it. It’s probably worse than it has ever been and unfortunately the police are not helping.”

Mr Khan, who claims it is not illegal to charge upfront, said those targeted would most likely be groups of young men, aged 18 or 19, picked up in the city centre late at night.

Drivers, he said, would estimate the cost of fare – for example £15 to St Mellons from the city – and refund the difference at the end of the journey.

Mr Khan said: “If they don’t get offended on buses or trains then why should they get offended in a taxi?

“It’s tradition to pay at the end but if the tradition is abused then it has to change. We can’t afford to lose money.”

The city’s other taxi trade body, however, wants the council to introduce an official police-backed deposit scheme which drivers can use at their discretion.

Abdhi Ahmed, chairman of the Union of Taxi Drivers, said passengers would be given a written receipt after putting down a deposit at the start of the trip and pay the balance on arrival.

“My drivers are losing every single day and changes need to come, but they have to come from up top – from the council,” he said.

The inaugural meeting of the Cardiff Taxi Forum – comprised of trade representatives, the council and police – took place on Monday.

Citing the Town Police Clauses Act 1847, Councillor Ed Bridges, chairman of the public protection committee, said: “Taxi drivers can ask passengers to pay a deposit before the journey begins, as an informal agreement between the passenger and the taxi driver, but the driver must then record the fare using the meter and sort out the difference for payment at the end of the journey.

“However, if a customer travelling within the Cardiff boundary refuses to pay their fare upfront, it would then be an offence for the driver to refuse to undertake the journey.”

A police spokeswoman said: “Taxi companies in Cardiff highlighted this as a problem at a recent meeting attended by officers. Those who dishonestly make off without paying, and with intent to avoid payment, are committing an offence and depriving the taxi drivers of their livelihood.

“Civil matters arise when passengers have a genuine grievance of the size of the fare or service provided.

“We are working with our own staff, the local authority and taxi associations to tackle this issue and would urge passengers to make sure they pay the right fare or risk facing prosecution.”

source: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/cardiffonline/cardiff-news/2011/11/09/cardiff-taxi-drivers-told-to-demand-fees-upfront-after-spate-of-fare-dodgers-91466-29743687/#ixzz1dCZgXcJ9

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:17 pm 
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The council’s licensing boss, however, last night said drivers who refused fares without a reasonable excuse would be committing an offence.


I would say that thinking you are not going to get paid was a reasonable excuse.
If things are as bad as reported, I would ask for ALL fares to be up front and any change for excess payment would be given at the end of the journey.

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The council’s licensing boss, however, last night said drivers who refused fares without a reasonable excuse would be committing an offence.


I would say that thinking you are not going to get paid was a reasonable excuse.
If things are as bad as reported, I would ask for ALL fares to be up front and any change for excess payment would be given at the end of the journey.

Grandad is quite correct, however drivers don't need to ask for the money up-front, all they need do is ask for a deposit.

Now if that deposit is more than the job goes, then the punter gets the balance back. :wink:

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I had one on Saturday night who wanted to go out of town, he said "I'll pay you double if you take me?" I said "give me the money up front and I'll take you." He said "I'll give you double when we get to the other end my money is in the house." I said "I take cards if you've got a card?" He said "no." "Mobile phone?" "No." I said, "your walking mate."

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I had one on Saturday night who wanted to go out of town, he said "I'll pay you double if you take me?" I said "give me the money up front and I'll take you." He said "I'll give you double when we get to the other end my money is in the house." I said "I take cards if you've got a card?" He said "no." "Mobile phone?" "No." I said, "your walking mate."

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Saturday night we had someone ask for a taxi to leicester so my driver turns up and they ask if he can stop at a cash point in leicester to get the money out he said why don't i take you to one here first so you can pay me cash up front and takes them 400 yards up the road to barclays they join the queue and then a minute later they've vanished !!!!!!!

I wonder if they did manage to con another driver there does seem to be a lot more of it about

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One experience driver around here took two nice girls all the way to London for £700........he didnt get paid because they ran off

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How much fuel did that cost from carlise over £100 I bet

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How much fuel did that cost from carlise over £100 I bet


Must have been at least that......plus it was a Friday...he got the job around 2pm fifnt get back till 4am :oops:

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Six-hour walk home for patient, 63, stranded at hospital

A CASTLE Cary man released from Yeovil District Hospital in the middle of the night walked 14 miles home in his slippers after finding himself stranded.

Lorry driver Malcolm Higgins, 63, had earlier been rushed to hospital by ambulance after having an adverse reaction to medication.

Mr Higgins had two heart attacks last year, is a diabetic and also suffers from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, so when he had difficulty breathing on October 31, his wife June called an ambulance.

Hospital tests showed it was an adverse reaction to a new inhaler but when doctors said he could go home Mr Higgins realised he did not have any money on him. When his efforts to get a taxi failed, he started walking.

He said: "I was wearing my slippers, trousers and T-shirt. And I left the home in such a rush I did not have my wallet with me. I tried to call my brother and niece for a lift, but they were not answering their phones.

"I called for a taxi but they wanted the money up front. I rang two other taxi firms and they said the same thing.

"I went back into the hospital but was told by staff it was 'just a sign of the times'. So I thought, I'm going to have to walk."

He set off through Mudford, Queen Camel, Marston Magna and Sparkford. Several vehicles, including a police car, passed him but none stopped to offer a lift. He arrived home in West Park nearly six hours later, exhausted, cold and wet.

Mrs Higgins, 66, said: "He called me at 2am to say he was coming home. He told me he was going to try and get a lift back with his brother and that was the last I heard from him until 8.45am.

"I was shocked when he told me he had walked back. I was so angry.

"He was freezing cold and wet so he got straight in a hot shower and went to bed."

Andrew Rossiter's business, Radio Cabs was one of the Yeovil based taxi firms called by Mr Higgins. Mr Rossiter said: "This is an unfortunate situation but sadly many of our drivers have experienced people not paying fares once they have been picked up from hospital in the past. Like most other taxi companies in Yeovil, it is now company policy to only accept the fare if the customer pays up front.

"We do have an account with the hospital and if they had told us about the situation we could have arranged something for Mr Higgins."

A spokesperson at Yeovil District Hospital said: "We sympathise with Mr Higgins's situation.

"We have received a formal complaint from him which we are investigating to see if there is any more we could have done to support him. However patients are responsible for their own transport to and from hospital."

http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/Victim- ... story.html

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One experience driver around here took two nice girls all the way to London for £700........he didnt get paid because they ran off

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What a div, I don't go 10 miles without money up front never mind over 250.

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“However, if a customer travelling within the Cardiff boundary refuses to pay their fare upfront, it would then be an offence for the driver to refuse to undertake the journey.”


I am a great believer that policies are not being interpreted in the manner and spirit that they were intended for. If he thinks for one minute he is going to quote that one for some dodgy joe, then think again.

I guess it will have to be a risk assessment by ones self, because one is responsible for ones self...................and he/she was refused because one felt threatened. :roll:

The councillor who made the above statement is none other than "Ed Bridges" (not a friend of Cardiff hackney drivers) who drew that quote from the "Town Police Clauses Act 1847"!!!!!!!!!

Ffs how does that act belong in todays industry...........164 years ago :shock: :? #-o

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Ffs how does that act belong in todays industry...........164 years ago :shock: :? #-o


Quite right too......so the law commission will give your LA a brand spanking new law, one with perhaps 3 tiers and no limitation and one which means you'll have to be trained at your cost with refresher courses every so often.

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