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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:13 pm 
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Thought I would start this thread to put up any stuff coming out of the appeal which starts tomorrow.

Uber investigates 1,100 drivers for serious offences

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uber ... -zpqwlthgg

Uber has secretly investigated more than 2,500 of its London drivers for offences including sex assaults, stalking and dangerous driving, according to documents given to regulators. A similar number of the taxi company’s drivers outside London are believed to be under investigation.

It has also emerged Uber conducted medical checks and sight tests for at least 800 would-be drivers over the internet, using Skype, rather than a physical examination.

The disclosures will feature in Uber’s court appeal against its ban from London, a process that starts tomorrow. Its licence was revoked by Transport for London (TfL) in September after The Sunday Times revealed police had accused Uber of failing to report six sex attacks and three other crimes by drivers to avoid “damaging [its] reputation”.

Uber will continue to operate in London until the appeal ends. It is also fighting bans in Brighton, York and Reading. To prepare its case Uber began a review in March of “any historical serious incident . . . reported” to the company that it may have previously ignored.

In a “strictly confidential” letter to Helen Chapman, TfL’s general manager of taxi and private hire, dated May 25, Tom Elvidge, Uber’s UK general manager, says 1,148 London-licensed Uber drivers had been accused of “category A” offences such as sexual incidents, stalking and dangerous driving. Uber also investigated 1,402 London drivers who had been the subject of repeated complaints for lower-level misbehaviour, such as discriminatory comments and “inappropriate interpersonal conduct” towards passengers.


The letter said Uber had banned 451 London-licensed drivers as a result of the review. It had reported 58 previously undisclosed crimes against passengers to police. The review uncovered more than 120 other crimes against passengers by London Uber drivers. Some had already been reported to police by the victim, TfL or the company.

Elvidge said Uber was “considering” whether to report some of the others. At least 14 “typically minor common assault cases” were “too historic to report”.

The review was national, Elvidge said. The number of investigations outside London is not stated but about half Uber’s drivers work outside the capital.

“Uber ignored or covered up misconduct and criminality on a far wider scale than we ever suspected,” said Steve McNamara, general secretary of the Licensed Taxi Drivers’ Association (LTDA), which represents London’s black cab operators. “The original police protest was about nine crimes. Now we discover that Uber knew about, but failed to report, dozens, even hundreds of crimes.”

In her statement for the appeal, Chapman says Uber has “engaged in a more positive way” since its licence was withdrawn. But she adds the regulator still has “some concern . . . whether trust and confidence can be placed in the commitments made.”

She attacks Uber for cutting corners on health and eyesight checks. At least 800 were conducted over the internet “by video link”, making them “prone to either manipulation or error.”

Chapman said would-be drivers were sent a sight test card, with rows of letters diminishing in size, along with a 1.5m length of string to show them how far to place it from their eyes. They were supposed to read the letters into a video camera but there was little to stop them looking at the card before the test.

TfL demanded the eye exams were redone in person but Uber continues to defend the short-cut, Chapman said. Uber declined to comment.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:32 pm 
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In a “strictly confidential” letter to Helen Chapman, TfL’s general manager of taxi and private hire, dated May 25, Tom Elvidge, Uber’s UK general manager, says 1,148 London-licensed Uber drivers had been accused of “category A” offences such as sexual incidents, stalking and dangerous driving. Uber also investigated 1,402 London drivers who had been the subject of repeated complaints for lower-level misbehaviour, such as discriminatory comments and “inappropriate interpersonal conduct” towards passengers.


The letter said Uber had banned 451 London-licensed drivers as a result of the review. It had reported 58 previously undisclosed crimes against passengers to police. The review uncovered more than 120 other crimes against passengers by London Uber drivers. Some had already been reported to police by the victim, TfL or the company.

Elvidge said Uber was “considering” whether to report some of the others. At least 14 “typically minor common assault cases” were “too historic to report”.

The review was national, Elvidge said. The number of investigations outside London is not stated but about half Uber’s drivers work outside the capital.

And none of the above was disclosed to Brighton and Hove Council when they applied to renew their ops license, nor to licensing panel councils who decided on their application.

Clearly Uber have not changed their working practices one little bit. [-X

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We have to be careful what we say about this as it could be sub-judicial. But, it's a damning indictment on the company if found to be true.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:07 am 
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Prudence would dictate you investigate and vet your drivers before you use them not afterwards and that goes for any company.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:04 am 
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In a “strictly confidential” letter to Helen Chapman, TfL’s general manager of taxi and private hire, dated May 25, Tom Elvidge, Uber’s UK general manager, says 1,148 London-licensed Uber drivers had been accused of “category A” offences such as sexual incidents, stalking and dangerous driving. Uber also investigated 1,402 London drivers who had been the subject of repeated complaints for lower-level misbehaviour, such as discriminatory comments and “inappropriate interpersonal conduct” towards passengers.


The letter said Uber had banned 451 London-licensed drivers as a result of the review. It had reported 58 previously undisclosed crimes against passengers to police. The review uncovered more than 120 other crimes against passengers by London Uber drivers. Some had already been reported to police by the victim, TfL or the company.

Elvidge said Uber was “considering” whether to report some of the others. At least 14 “typically minor common assault cases” were “too historic to report”.

The review was national, Elvidge said. The number of investigations outside London is not stated but about half Uber’s drivers work outside the capital.

And none of the above was disclosed to Brighton and Hove Council when they applied to renew their ops license, nor to licensing panel councils who decided on their application.

Clearly Uber have not changed their working practices one little bit. [-X



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:58 am 
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Live updates from the hearing on the Evening Standard's website, for the real anoraks :badgrin: :roll: :oops:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transpo ... 70761.html


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:42 pm 
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Live updates from the hearing on the Evening Standard's website, for the real anoraks :badgrin: :roll: :oops:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transpo ... 70761.html

The LTDA twitter feed is fascinating too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:50 pm 
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The LTDA twitter feed is fascinating too.


https://twitter.com/TheLTDA/with_replies


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:23 pm 
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The LCDC twitter feed was interesting too.

Scroll down to a fella called Cabvision who was at the hearing.

https://twitter.com/The_LCDC?ref_src=tw ... r%5Eauthor

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:26 pm 
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Uber's Skeleton Argument and witness statements.

Fascinating for us anoraks.

http://www.hoganlovells.com/en/publicat ... for-london

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LTDA's submission.

https://www.ltda.co.uk/assets/files/dow ... 202018.pdf

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Uber's London licence appeal off to flying start: No, you cannot do driver eye tests via video link

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/2 ... ce_appeal/

Amid Greyball and hack cover-up, app biz isn't endearing itself

A contrite Uber told Westminster Magistrates' Court today that it "fully accepts" last year's decision by Transport for London (TfL) to revoke its taxi operating licence as "justified".

TfL, the UK capital's transport regulator, wants the ban upheld, in part because of fears that spy-on-regulators tech Greyball was used in London.

TfL yanked Uber's licence to operate its ride-hailing app last year because it was not satisfied that the firm was, legally, a "fit and proper person" to run private hire cabs in London.

A taxi firm whose licence has been revoked by TfL can continue to operate until the outcome of any appeal.

TfL opposes Uber's appeal. Its barrister, Martin Chamberlain, told the court in his written submissions that it should take Uber's "historic conduct into account, when determining whether it is now a fit and proper person to hold a PHV operator's licence".

Barristers Tom de le Mare QC and Ranjit Bhose QC will tell the court on behalf of Uber that the taxi-app-cum-operator welcomes "the opportunity to continue to demonstrate its fitness and propriety, and is committed to trying to do that every day".

No, you cannot carry out eye tests by video link

Uber's written submissions included the staggering admission that its drivers were taking eye tests over a video-call-your-doctor service called Push Doctor. It said: "[Tom] Elvidge [head of Uber UK and Ireland] accepts that, with hindsight, the eye tests offered by the Push Doctor service may not have been adequate." TfL insisted to the company that these medical checks "could only be conducted in person".

TfL alleged that Elvidge "does not accept that it was clear and obvious that the proposed [video medical exam] solution was unsatisfactory".

Hacker badness

Helen Chapman, TfL's director of taxi licensing, made a number of witness statements in which she referenced the 2016 Uber hack, urging the court not to renew Uber's licence on the grounds that the company's corporate culture was too toxic for it to operate back then and that Uber's recent changes to detoxify itself have yet to bed in fully.

People within Uber tried to cover up the 2016 hack, which only came to light the following year. They even bunged the 20-year-old US hacker $100,000 to delete the data and keep stumm, which got them fired when new chief exec Dara Khosrowshahi found out what happened.

"Even after it became aware of that breach," said TfL's submissions, "[Uber] struggled to obtain the information it required from the other companies in the Uber group. Mr Elvidge candidly admits that this incident was a major driver in leading ULL [Uber London Ltd] to conclude that it needed to redefine its relationship with the other companies in the Uber Group."

Spying on spies, or blocking public safety checks?

Greyball is Uber's spy-on-regulators system. When Uber suspected that regulators were snooping around its drivers, their accounts were tagged by company employees so its systems did not display any nearby cars – preventing regulators from carrying out secret shopper-style checks on the taxi app's behaviour. When the existence of Greyball came to light, TfL reacted with alarm, asking Uber whether it had ever used the tech in the UK.

The company said in its written submissions: "Uber modified its systems to require employees seeking to apply such tags to obtain pre-approval by a manager and legal clearance. Violation of the policy would lead to disciplinary sanction."

TfL, in contrast, alleges that Uber manager Jo Bertram "approved the use of Greyball" for dodging regulatory checks, or what the transport regulator claimed Uber tried to depict as "over aggressive law enforcement". Bertram had left the company by September last year.

In addition, Uber later claimed that it has deactivated Greyball altogether. The firm characterised Greyball to The Register as a tool for "employee testing of new products" and repeated that it has not been "misused for the purpose of evading regulators", while avoiding our simple question as to whether the software had been used in the UK or not.

A "third-party systems expert" was later appointed by TfL, with Uber's consent, to investigate how the app platform operated and confirm that spot checks carried out by people posing as customers wouldn't be obstructed.

That's perfectly fair, thank you very much

Uber accepted that its previous allegations that taxi trade unions and established taxi firms had egged on TfL to shut down their competitor were "unfair". Uber also said that it "would never knowingly compromise public safety". Part of its newfound corporate social responsibility includes the use of "real-time identification checks for drivers using facial recognition technology in order to address any risk of account sharing or impersonation".

607 Uber drivers have been dismissed, according to TfL's legal filings, with 221 immediately suspended from working "on public safety grounds".

The London Taxi Drivers' Association (LTDA), a trade union for black cab drivers, has itself urged the court to rule that Uber drivers operating outside London are doing so illegally.

The case is scheduled to continue until Wednesday 27 June. Uber seeks restoration of its licence for 18 months so its corporate changes can become "fully embedded and [be] put to the test".

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:49 pm 
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The Chief Magistrate announced near the end of today's proceedings that the appeal will be concluded tomorrow, and she will give her decision tomorrow afternoon.

Personally I will be amazed if she allows the appeal.

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TfL's Skeleton argument.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-skeleton-argument.pdf

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Reading this can only lead one to assume Uber's change of ethos is not what Uber say it is, and if Uber ever did become a fit and proper operator it might well be when we are all long gone.

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