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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:28 am 
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Mr XH558 wrote:
The Glasgow public registers are here but I’m not that confident these versions are reliable or up to date.

I remember looking at the registers the last time you mentioned them :-o

Very messy, and don't really see how it's possible to extract any reliable figures from that stuff...

Would be interesting to know how precisely they compile the stats :?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:35 pm 
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So it would take three years until all extant badges expired. But that would happen fairly uniformly over the three years. To that extent, nearly 1 in 5 badges wouldn't disappear within a three month period :?

Didn't the council, during covid, extend licenses as drivers couldn't access council offices, and council officers didn't want to leave their homes?

Thus, the driver drop you noticed might not only be the drivers that were licensed in 2019 that didn't renew, but also the drivers that were licensed in 2017 and 2018 that didn't relicense, and the cut-off time to relicense was those three months when the council started processing licenses.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:16 pm 
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Sussex, I can't recall what they did in Glasgow for lockdown, precisely, and can't be bothered looking back. (Can't even remember what happened in Fife, except that when I renewed they gave us an extra three months on the new licences :-o . But other than that it didn't make any difference to my licences, although maybe that was because my renewals didn't come up until it was all over, effectively. And of course in Scotland as long as you apply before the expiry date, licences are still extant until up to nine months after expiry, or until the council has processed it. In fact, I'm pretty sure the legislation was amended during lockdown such that councils were allowed up to 12 months to process renewals, so in effect this gave councils a whole year to process renewals, and thus badges and plates could potentially be a year out of date but still renewed.)

Anyway, the reason I don't think there's any point in sweating all that is because the survey doesn't even attempt to explain any lockdown effect, other than some waffle about drivers going to do delivery jobs and the like. They even cite the LPHCA numbers :lol:

Glasgow Taxi Survey wrote:
The driver shortages in the industry have been well documented in the media, with a
notable reduction in Taxi and PHC drivers since the start of the COVID pandemic. The
Licensed Private Hire Car Association (LPHCA) noted that an estimated 160,000 drivers
left the private hire trade since the start of the pandemic, representing more than half
of the pre-pandemic workforce. As shown in Table 1, a similar trend seems to be
reflected in Glasgow, with a 33% reduction in overall taxi/PHC driver numbers between
2018 and 2023.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:17 pm 
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They also cite DfT figures and Scotland-wide figures, which of course are nothing like the LPHCA's, but there's no attempt to reconcile it all, nor to explain the Glasgow-specific collapse in numbers early in 2022.

But if the likes of the LPHCA's numbers mean anything then it's maybe about the number of drivers not working rather than 'left the trade' as such. And, of course, that's different from the number of extant licences.

I mean, I didn't work for weeks on end, so maybe that's the kind of thing the LPHCA mean by 'left the industry'. But as far as the licence stats are concerned, I was always a 'driver' and plateholder as far as the official stats were concerned - the stats relied on by the Glasgow survey.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:19 pm 
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And it looks like they've fallen into the usual trap with their Scotland-wide figures. Which seem to include the likes of Dundee, so to that extent the badge numbers and driver ratios are all bollocks. They assume a taxi badge holder in Dundee is driving a taxi, while there's a good chance he may well be driving a PHC :-o

The clue is in the stats - in 2024, for example, the Scottish Transport Statistics show 185 PH cars in Dundee, but only 22 PH badges :-s

Do the Glasgow surveyors really think there are 163 idle PHCs in Dundee? :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:37 am 
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So their consultation included Unite and a couple of taxi associations. Not even any kind of PH representation group, by the looks of it :-o

Then there's a big section on what they call 'Operator Consultation', including this:

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6.1.3 A total of three responses were received to the questionnaire survey, and two responses
to the information request. One operator provided feedback via letter/email, which has
been referenced in the relevant sections below.

6.1.4 From information provided by the operators, it was determined that the three primary
respondents represent approximately 50% of the total taxi fleet and approximately 18%
of the total PHC fleet operating in the GCC Licensing Authority area at the time of the
survey. Although a higher response figure would have been preferred from PHC
operators, it was considered that the level of data provided was sufficient to provide an
indication of the general operating trends within GCC in the absence of further
responses from operators being forthcoming, despite best efforts to obtain it.

Three 'primary' responses - oh my sides :lol:

But again there's the operator misrepresentation - they're obviously talking about booking offices rather than operators/plateholders - presumably the respondent representing 50% of the taxi fleet is Glasgow Taxis Limited (there can't be two respondents representing 50% of the taxi fleet; in fact, I thought GTL represented a good bit more than 50% by itself).

So that means the other two respondents represented a total of 18% of the PH fleet, while they would have preferred a higher figure :roll:

But which surely underlines the level of capture here - they'd prefer to deal with as small a number of players representing as much of the trade as possible, basically :?

And, of course, while the whole thing is all about limiting plate numbers, plateholders haven't been consulted at all, or at least not directly - only through the circuits, basically (of course, there will be an overlap between plateholders and circuits, but presumably there must be at least 1,000+ plateholders altogether :-s )


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