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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 4:25 pm 
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Looks like TfL's temporary licensing thing isn't going as planned. And the Daily Mail has picked up on it with this mega-article.

And, as the headline suggests, they'll see this as an opportunity to give Sadiq Khan a kicking :-o

No shortage of detail here, but a slightly odd article - it launches into stuff about the DBS thing without really explaining it, and then the explanation comes further down the piece...

So I'd guess that the average reader of this piece will be flummoxed by quite a lot of it, and to be honest even as a bit of a trade anorak a lot of the detail about the applications process went over my head. (Although we don't have the DBS thing up here in Scotland, so no doubt the stuff below will make a bit more sense to the average reader on here.)

There are a few photos on the Mail's website, but they're mainly either generic 'taxi' pics, or portrait-style images of some of the people quoted.

Anyway, the headline is predictably misleading, because I'm assuming the HC sector isn't affected (or, at least, the article is all about PHDs). On the other hand, once the article gets going it's a bit better as regards precisely what private hire licensing in London is all about, and there's none of the 'ride-hailing' pish or other attempts to portray Uber and Bolt as something totally different [-(


Sadiq Khan accused of ruining livelihoods of thousands of London taxi drivers by creating a licencing 'shambles'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ivers.html

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has been accused of ruining the livelihoods of thousands of taxi drivers by creating a licencing 'shambles'.

Some 3,000 drivers at a time have been forced off the road after a change to Transport For London's systems triggered huge backlogs on applications for licence renewals.

The total number of cab drivers hit by delays over recent months is thought to exceed 10,000.

The issue has caused fury among drivers with one telling MailOnline: 'Sadiq Khan has made a real mess of this - hundreds of drivers are desperate as they've been prevented from working for weeks on end for no reason.'

The resulting mess has sparked a shortage of cabs around the capital meaning wait times for customers have gone up - with those hit including drivers for industry giants like Uber, Bolt and Addison Lee.

TfL oversees all of London's travel infrastructure from trains and buses to taxis and mini cabs, and has been managed by Khan since he was appointed as The Mayor of London in 2016.

But new rules put in place in July 2024 have caused chaos for the Greater London area's army of private hire drivers, who work for local minicab firms, private car companies and apps such as Uber.

TFL confirmed to MailOnline that at its worst an estimated 3,000 drivers at any one time have been unable to work as they waited on delayed licence renewals - though they insist that the number waiting has begun to come down as they have addressed bottlenecks.

Driver Charlie Holding, 60, told MailOnline that he was unable to work for ten weeks after getting stung by the change to the DBS process - and only finally got his permit back this week.

He said: 'I've lost thousands of pounds in lost wages and it's left me in real financial problems - and all the while I've just been sitting around with nothing to do. It's been driving me mad and it's so pointless.'

Mr Holding explained: 'In December, three months before my licence expired, TfL sent me an invitation to reapply for my licence online. I've been a minicab driver for twenty years, and I have had to reapply every three years, so I know the process.

'I knew the change about the DBS check, but I rather naively thought that when I did the DBS application that it would put me onto the update services automatically. After uploading my certificate and details, the application process allowed me to continue, I assumed I had done it correctly.

'Because they've got so many delays at the moment, by the time they told me that I hadn't done the update service correctly my DBS certificate had expired and I then had to reapply for it.

'If they'd let me know in good time, I could have done the update service and everything would have been fine. I would have had my new licence by the time the old one expired and I could have continued working.

But like many drivers currently off the road, Charlie's biggest frustration is with TfL's handling of the crisis.

He said: 'Everything is done via an online portal, you can't ring and speak to someone, or go to their office in person, like you could when the licences were handled by the Public Carriage Office.

'There's no way of communicating with anyone at TfL, and it feels like you're paying a load of money for nothing and anything that goes wrong is blamed on the drivers. There is no accountability.

'I'm hearing anecdotally stories of guys who have been waiting seven months, five months, six months, for their renewal, which is shocking. That's how they pay their bills.'

Hundreds of drivers have complained that small administrative errors such as these are not being flagged immediately by the new system. Furthermore, backlogs caused by the new rules have led to some licence renewals taking months longer than they previously would have, leaving many drivers in limbo and unable to work or earn.

Most frustratingly, affected drivers claim that they haven't been able to speak to anyone at TfL to hurry things along or be assigned a temporary licence, even though the governing body has claimed it would issue them.

The backlog is having a knock-on effect across the transport industry, with the firms who rent ULEZ compliant vehicles - like Toyota Prius Hybrids and Tesla Model 3 EVs - to minicab drivers complaining that their forecourts are filling up with cars.

Martina Williamson of PCO Rentals in Hendon said that the licensing backlog has left nearly 100 of their 265 cars languishing on their forecourt.

She said: 'At the moment we have 178 vehicles out on hire, which is a low utilisation rate for this time of year. 'In the last couple of weeks we have had at least 20 cars returned due to private hire drivers not receiving their licences. Many of them told us they had applied to renew them months before they were due to expire.

'The new hire side of the business has also been affected as those drivers are waiting for their licences, too. It's caused our utilisation to drop, as we can't hire cars to drivers without a current PCO badge.

'It's had a really serious knock on effect for the business. We've got cars sitting here that we just can't get out because the drivers' hands are tied.

'We have lost hirers that have been with us for years. They have had their livelihoods ripped from them. There's nothing in place to help them whilst they are at the mercy of TfL and their administration teams.

'Likewise for us as a company, our revenue has decreased massively. I imagine for smaller fleets they may be struggling to keep afloat.'

Martina has also seen first hand how the backlog is causing extreme levels of stress and hardship amongst drivers.

'They're returning our cars, left, right and centre, and our hire vehicles, because their livelihoods have been taken away from them, and they've literally been left in limbo.

'I've had drivers sitting here crying, saying, "I don't know how I'm going to pay my rent next week".

'Lots of the drivers claim it's impossible to get in contact with anyone at TfL who can give them a straight answer and when they email they get a standard response of "Your licence is being reviewed".

'I don't know anyone who has been able to obtain a temporary renewal even though on the TfL website it states these would be issued.'

Ben Fallows, 52, is the proprietor of Dab Transport in Sutton, South London. He falls under the category of a 'small operator' of PHV, meaning he is allowed to employ up to ten drivers, taking a cut of their weekly earnings. However, with one of his drivers unable to renew their licence, he is feeling the pinch.

He said: 'It takes a long time to find drivers who are reliable and good for your company so when you lose one it can be catastrophic. It means I have to turn down work I would have given to them, meaning I am losing money.

'I make 20 percent from my drivers, so if I give them £1,000 of work a week I get £200 of commission, which I'm losing if I can't send one out on the road. I can't just replace him with another driver, because what happens when my driver can come back to work? I'd need to put that new man out of work.

'Technically I am having to give business to other firms, and there's a real risk that that customer I lost will become loyal to them, losing me more money in the long term.'

Larger firms have also been affected by TfL's admin backlog, with taxi app behemoth Uber releasing a statement at the start of April acknowledging that some of their 50,000 drivers had been directly affected.

A spokesperson said: 'We are aware of the issue and are having ongoing discussions with both Transport for London and affected drivers.'

In the week ending May 11, figures released by TfL stated that there were 106,161 private hire licensees working across London, a decrease of 48 on the previous week, and that 36 of them were newly issued licences.

First time licensees can expect to pay £477 to become a private hire driver in London, while renewals cost £310. The fees are paid at the time of application. For drivers renewing their licence, they also need to obtain a current DBS check, which can cost up to £54 and is valid 30 days from issue.

Private Hire Licences are renewed every three years, and the biggest change to the new regulations requires drivers to not only upload their criminal record check (DBS) to the TfL system, but also enrol separately to the DBS update service, as well.

Drivers who failed to do this, or did not upload vital medical documents, did not have their application flagged as incomplete, so they submitted it believing it was complete, only to find out months later when their licence had expired that there had been an issue.

TfL claim that the issues have mostly been resolved following teething issues with the new system, updated renewal requirements and a cyber attack on their servers.

A TfL spokesperson said: 'We are responsible for regulating taxi and PHV services in London and passenger safety is paramount. When licensing an individual we must also ensure that the applicant meets licensing requirements and is fit to be licensed.

'We have recently introduced new licence processing software that will deliver a number of benefits to licensees. Unfortunately we have experienced some issues which have impacted our processing times, compounding the difficulties we experienced following the cyber incident last year.

'The vast majority of drivers we licence are unaffected. However, we are aware that some drivers are affected. We are prioritising the renewal of existing licensees and have additional staff processing applications and issuing licences and have made good progress with this. We apologise to any affected drivers and we are working hard to resolve the issues.

'In recognition of the current situation, we are granting short-term PHV driver licences for a period of three months in cases where a complete application has been submitted and there are no issues that require further investigation.'


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 1:35 pm 
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I can understand this being a problem if the drivers were hackney but not so much PH because surely if it's so difficult just relicense somewhere like say W and work x border

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In the week ending May 11, figures released by TfL stated that there were 106,161 private hire licensees working across London, a decrease of 48 on the previous week, and that 36 of them were newly issued licences.

I know it's only one weeks stats, but if that was the norm then that means only 1,800 new drivers a year entering the trade i.e. less than 2%.

I would imagine the churn rate is a lot higher than that.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 8:21 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
I can understand this being a problem if the drivers were hackney but not so much PH because surely if it's so difficult just relicense somewhere like say W and work x border

Rules in London differ from elsewhere, and the likes of Uber wouldn't dream of cross bordering in London.

Shame they don't take that view outside of London.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2025 2:36 am 
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Even assuming the normal cross-bordering scenario was feasible in London, in practical terms I couldn't really see it as a solution to this particular problem.

I mean, maybe it would be OK as a long-term plan, but not in response to what is really a short-term thing - of course, it's gone on longer than anyone anticipated, but it's maybe a bit like lockdown - when the badging delays became apparent in London, they probably thought it would all be over before long, just as we all did when Covid arrived :-o

So drivers have probably been assuming that if they tough it out for a couple of weeks max, then it will all be OK, and rebadging elsewhere would be pointless because even using Wolverhampton's fasttracking it would take longer than waiting for TfL to sort it all out. But, of course, things have taken a lot longer to sort out than anticipated, and hindsight is a wonderful thing :?

And another big hurdle - assuming going elsewhere to get badged and plated was feasible - is that the operator would also need to go co-operate and get licensed by the same council. So the problem of anticipating how it would all pan out is doubled because it's an operator/driver thing, and of course operators aren't going to rush to licence elsewhere because a handful of their drivers are having problems with renewal delays...

Put it another way, if you were a PHD in Liverpool, say, and there were delays with renewals, would you consider badging in Wolverhampton even after a couple of weeks of delay? Probably not, I'd guess, unless the council confirmed that it would take months to issue your new badge. By the same token, unless your circuit already had a Wolves licence then they'd have to get an operator's licence from there as well. Chances of all that happeing for what's anticipated to be a delay of a couple of weeks max? :-k


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2025 8:01 am 
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I can understand this being a problem if the drivers were hackney but not so much PH because surely if it's so difficult just relicense somewhere like say W and work x border

Rules in London differ from elsewhere, and the likes of Uber wouldn't dream of cross bordering in London.

Shame they don't take that view outside of London.



are you sure about that because I thought an out side london licensed hackney could still work x border as PH in London or is there something in the law preventing that ?

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Doesn't look like it's getting any better.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... re-drivers

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:01 pm 
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This is a news release from a law firm.

TfL should certainly be held to account, put I think the comparison to the Post Office scandal is a tad overblown :?


Transport for London is facing legal action over licence delays for private hire drivers

https://dpglaw.co.uk/transport-for-lond ... e-drivers/

DPG are instructed by the Independent Workers’ Union of Great Britain (‘IWGB’), which represents private hire drivers on apps such as Uber and Bolt, to challenge the systemic and ongoing delays in TfL’s licensing system for private hire drivers.

TfL’s current policy requires private hire drivers to renew their license with TfL every three years. They must have a valid license to legally work in London. Since at least the summer of 2024, drivers have experienced failures by TfL to approve their license renewal applications, with their licenses expiring before a decision is made. In some cases, TfL have failed to issue licenses for months. This is despite drivers submitting their applications sufficiently in advance of expiry of their current licenses and accompanied by all required documentation. As a result, thousands of drivers have been left without valid licenses and have been unable to continue working.

There are around 108,000 private hire drivers in London, many of whom work for Uber. The exact number who have experienced problems with delays in their licences being issued is not known, but according to Alex Marshall, the IWGB’s president, the union has a WhatsApp group that includes around 1,000 drivers experiencing licensing problems.

TfL’s failure to issue licenses has left drivers without their livelihood. Some drivers have experienced delays of months before their license was issued, leaving them with no income for a detrimental amount of time. Many of these drivers are not high earners and have limited savings, so even a relatively short delay in TfL issuing them with a licence can have a significant financial impact. Some drivers have reported losing their homes, having their vehicles repossessed, accumulating thousands of pounds of debt, experiencing relationship breakdown, and deteriorating mental and physical health as a result of not being able to work.

One driver, Robert Dale, 65, died after suffering a heart attack last November. He was waiting for his licence to be renewed at the time of his death. His family say they believe his death was linked to the delay as he was unable to work and was stressed and anxious.

Despite drivers proactively trying to resolve the matter, they are left with no clear timeline for resolution and minimal communication from TfL.

TfL have attributed the delays to a cyber attack in September 2024 and the introduction of a new licensing system. However, these delays are not a new issue.

IWGB have instructed DPG to bring legal proceedings against TfL for its systemic failures to issue licenses. Pre-action letters have been sent on behalf of IWGB and three drivers to inform TfL that legal challenges are being considered. This is an unprecedented legal challenge against TfL which could involve a large cohort of claimants.

Alex Marshall, President of the IWGB Union, says: “What’s happening at TfL is a repeat of the Post Office scandal – managers failing to intervene as a broken computer system tears hundreds of lives apart. Until TfL takes accountability for the deep pain it has inflicted, makes reparations, and reforms their system, we will continue to fight.

This is about discrimination – TfL ensures black cab drivers can keep working when faced with license delays, whilst the mostly racialised, migrant minicab drivers in the same position are losing their incomes and struggling to feed their families.

It is only fair for drivers who have lost everything they had – their homes, their cars, their families – to now get compensation. We are also calling for Helen Chapman, the Director of Licensing whose decisions led drivers’ suffering to escalate so disastrously, to lose her position, and for systemic reform to prevent future tragedies.”

Ahmed Aydeed of DPG, says: “TfL is operating an unlawful system by failing to ensure continuity of licensing for private hire drivers. Drivers belonging to the IWGB have bravely teamed up in this unprecedented legal challenge to hold TfL to account. Any public authority and government that strips people of their livelihood is not fit for purpose.”

The drivers and IWGB are represented by Ahmed Aydeed, Ralitsa Peykova, Natalie Hawes, Yashna Patel and Megan Hovvels of DPG, instructing Jason Coppel KC and Ben Mitchell of 11KBW.


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TfL needs to sort itself out.

When dealing with drivers' livelihoods, there is no excuse for delaying the re-licensing if the driver has submitted their paperwork on time.

But when you have an organisation led by Sir Khan, is anyone really surprised? :sad:

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