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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2026 3:33 pm 
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Not difficult to spot the noteworthy element of this article :-o

Of course, commonplace for the trade to request to extend hours for T2, T3 etc, and often councillors will play ball.

On the other hand, can't really remember one like this, particularly when it's quite a late T2 start time in any case :?


Not Fare! Rother Taxi Charges Could Rise By 10 Per Cent

https://www.moreradio.online/news-post/ ... 0-per-cent

Rother District Council's cabinet is due to decide on Monday (14 September) whether to change the authority's fare card for Hackney Carriage drivers.

Councillors agreed in June to consult on a range of potential changes to fares.

The current fares were last set in April 2023, when diesel cost around 161 pence per litre.

Since then, diesel prices have fluctuated significantly, ranging from 141 to 191 pence per litre over the past year.

At the time the council's report was published, the RAC Foundation put the average price at 185 pence per litre.

Council officers say the proposed changes are “reasonable” in light of fuel price fluctuations and wider inflation.

If approved, passengers would face a higher starting fare, with additional charges being applied after shorter distances and waiting periods than under the current system.

The proposals would also increase the charge for additional passengers from 30p to 40p, while the charge for transporting dogs would rise from 20p to 30p per dog.

Overall, the council estimates the changes would result in fares increasing by around 10 per cent.

There would also be a change to the council's late-night tariff.

At present, the more expensive rate can be charged from 11pm.

Under the proposed changes, that would move back to midnight.


The final decision will be made by Rother District Council's cabinet on Monday.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2026 3:34 pm 
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Had a look for the official papers, and this is all I can find. But it just effectively states as per the above, with no explanation or rationale - point 7 below:

https://rother.moderngov.co.uk/document ... 0Fares.pdf

But I'd put money on the impetus for this change NOT coming from the trade :-o


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2026 3:36 pm 
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And also slightly leftfield is that the council's current tariff information states that meters can be calibrated to below the official tariff, and a different tariff card can be displayed accordingly.

Which, of course, is quite an old chestnut - isn't it settled law that meters must show the official tariff, even if a discounted fare is being offered? :-o

Rother Council wrote:
Fare structure

See our Rother Taxi fare card April 2023 (pdf) for details of the Council’s current maximum fare rate. A tariff card bearing this rate must be displayed in a prominent position within the vehicle. It will be acceptable for meters to be calibrated at a lower rate than that shown on the Council’s tariff. However, any cumulative rate charged must not exceed the Council’s maximum. Where lower rates are set, an additional tariff card showing those rates must also be displayed in a prominent position within the vehicle.

https://www.rother.gov.uk/licences-and- ... ge-meters/


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2026 3:41 pm 
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Also slightly odd is PHTM's headline on this stuff - spot the odd word here :-o


ROTHER TAXI DRIVERS FACE POTENTIAL FARE RISE AS COUNCIL CONSIDERS COST PRESSURES

https://www.phtm.co.uk/news/9220/phtm-n ... -pressures


So the use of the word 'face' in that kind of context would normally imply something negative, surely? :-s

Maybe the headline was going to be about moving the T2 start time from 11pm to midnight, in which case the word 'face' would have been more appropriate :lol:

And which is in fact mentioned in PHTM's piece:

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Councillors will additionally consider a shift in the timing of late-night tariffs. If the proposals are accepted, the higher late-night rate will no longer kick in at 11pm, moving instead to a midnight start time for drivers


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2026 7:50 pm 
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Which, of course, is quite an old chestnut - isn't it settled law that meters must show the official tariff, even if a discounted fare is being offered? :-o

Indeed it is, but this area is the most rural of rural areas so the LOs know diddly squat about licensing laws. But the area is absolutely beautiful.

Which is why William the 1 fought a battle there, at Battle, in 1066.

However, moving the 11 pm to midnight tariff change should affect absolutely no one. :D :D

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2026 1:05 am 
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According to Wiki, Bexhill-on-Sea's population is 44,000, so that's a good sized town around the size of the likes of Perth and Dunfermline.

And according to the DfT stats there's 105 HCs but only 49 PHVs.

So I'd guess the local trade is mainly HCs, both on the ranks and on the circuits, thus a bit like St Andrews.

So all in all I'd guess that the T2 start time is VERY relevant :-o


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2026 7:15 am 
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I forgot about Bexhill.

Think the average age there is just over 100.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2026 4:30 pm 
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Some interesting insight on Taxi Point regarding moving the T2 start time :-o

This is presumably from official council papers, so I'm not sure if this is just being selective about which other councils are being cited to support the change - don't know the geography and council areas down there well enough to say.

But, off the top of my head, from a more national perspective, I would say T2 starting at 11pm is late, never mind midnight...

Taxi Point wrote:
The council said the later night-rate start was reasonable alongside the wider fare increase. Midnight is already used by Ashford, Dover, Folkestone and Hythe, Gravesham and Wealden councils, while neighbouring licensing authorities operate a mixture of 11pm, 11.30pm and midnight starting times.


And officials obviously using the typical lack of consultation response from the trade as a justification for moving the T2 timing :roll:

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Eight responses were received after the council contacted 103 hackney carriage owners. Officers described the response level as “not significant” and rejected the case for increasing waiting-time charges by more than journey tariffs.

The report said: “There is no reason to increase the waiting time tariff more than the travelling tariff.” It added that moving the night tariff from 11pm to midnight was “reasonable, if fares increase by 10%”.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2026 4:31 pm 
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Taxi Point wrote:
The fares represent the maximum amounts that can be charged by Rother-licensed hackney carriages. Drivers can accept a lower payment, but taximeters must be calibrated to the tariff approved by the council.

And that totally contradicts what's currently on the Rother council website above re current tariffs :-o

So that would be another change, although the Taxi Point piece doesn't flag it up as such (see what I did there? :lol: :oops: )


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2026 4:40 pm 
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I thought that last point might have been some sort of AI hallucination 8-[

But, to be 'fare' to Taxi Point, it is as per the official papers. (Which I eventually found after poking around papers and agendas and the likes for three different licensing panels, before eventually realising that it was a full cabinet meeting that would be considering it all ](*,) )

Rother Council cabinet agenda papers wrote:
The Council sets the maximum fares that can be charged by hackney carriages
(that can ply for hire at taxi ranks); drivers are free to accept a lower fare, but
meters must be set to the Council’s fares.

So, to reiterate, that totally contradicts what's currently stated on the council's website (but probably better reflects the legal position).

https://www.rother.gov.uk/licences-and- ... ge-meters/

Rother Council wrote:
Fare structure

See our Rother Taxi fare card April 2023 (pdf) for details of the Council’s current maximum fare rate. A tariff card bearing this rate must be displayed in a prominent position within the vehicle. It will be acceptable for meters to be calibrated at a lower rate than that shown on the Council’s tariff. However, any cumulative rate charged must not exceed the Council’s maximum. Where lower rates are set, an additional tariff card showing those rates must also be displayed in a prominent position within the vehicle.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2026 4:44 pm 
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And, for what it's worth, this is the link to the official cabinet agenda paper - the tariff stuff starts at page 112:

https://rother.moderngov.co.uk/document ... t.pdf?T=10

There's also this regarding the T2 thing :-o

Quote:
Local Government Reorganisation (LGR) Considerations

28. A new Unitary Authority will have to adopt a new fare card. The fare cards of
neighbouring authorities are not uniform. Changing the night rate to
commence at midnight aligns the card with Wealden District Council


...not to mention the consultation responses, and other official guff if anyone feels the need...

I mean, check out the stuff towards the end headed "EQUALITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT Including Socio-Economic duty" :lol: :roll:


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