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For your benefit, Sussex, I will rephrase.

Why did government issue guidance rather than law?

Quicker and easier. :?


Slower, and more difficult to enforce.

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"it is for individual licensing authorities to make their own decisions"

So. How unequivical is that?

Maybe so, but it's a lot easier to challenge a daft council decision if it's goes against gov best practise.

Also when councils go cap in hand to gov for grants for this and that, those councils will be assessed on the basis of how well they follow gov best practise.

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jimbo wrote:
Sussex wrote:
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For your benefit, Sussex, I will rephrase.

Why did government issue guidance rather than law?

Quicker and easier. :?


Slower, and more difficult to enforce.

I'm not talking about being easier for councils, just easier for gov.

But it does make it easier for councils to change their policies to reflect gov best practise.

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Sussex wrote:
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"it is for individual licensing authorities to make their own decisions"

So. How unequivical is that?

Maybe so, but it's a lot easier to challenge a daft council decision if it's goes against gov best practise.

Also when councils go cap in hand to gov for grants for this and that, those councils will be assessed on the basis of how well they follow gov best practise.


Gosh, are you saying this government would resort to BLACKMAIL?

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Sussex wrote:
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Sussex wrote:
jimbo wrote:
For your benefit, Sussex, I will rephrase.

Why did government issue guidance rather than law?

Quicker and easier. :?


Slower, and more difficult to enforce.

I'm not talking about being easier for councils, just easier for gov.

But it does make it easier for councils to change their policies to reflect gov best practise.


How hard would it be for Government to change the law, rather than offer guidance that can, (and is) ignored?

Quite hard, it would appear.

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How hard would it be for Government to change the law, rather than offer guidance that can, (and is) ignored?

How long did it take to stop a dog chasing a fox? :?

But then again, how long did it take the gov to bin the 7 day p*** take? :?

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Government issues "guidance" stating we would really like it if you would kindly kiss our collective butts. Councils with backbones say up yours. But if Government made ass kissing a law, then councl's would have to pukka up. As I see it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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How hard would it be for Government to change the law, rather than offer guidance that can, (and is) ignored?

How long did it take to stop a dog chasing a fox? :?

But then again, how long did it take the gov to bin the 7 day p*** take? :?


Dogs chasing foxes? You mean foxhunting is banned? That was promised in the 1997 manifesto, was it not.

The 7 day *iss take still exists, does it not? (for the time being)

Both were changes in LAW, not "best practise guidance"?

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jimbo wrote:
Both were changes in LAW, not "best practise guidance"?

I agree, but my point was that things can be done in quick time.

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Sussex wrote:
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Both were changes in LAW, not "best practise guidance"?

I agree, but my point was that things can be done in quick time.


And my point is that they won't. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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Vehicle choice, and what you mentioned,
After reading the guide, it seems a fare way forward, I hope that all of it is incorporated into the taxi laws, we only now need to try and get it there.
I don't know why some of the laws that are over 100 years old are still used, most have no bearing in a modern world,
Why do you still have to carry a bail of hay for instance, and can only pee on your offside back wheel, you be arrested for that now. :shock: :shock: :shock:
The rule book needs to be re written and it should be the trade that does it
Not some over paid office dweller, who only See's the inside of a cab when going out on the town. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Can I live in HOPE :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:


Define "vehicle choice".


Any purpose built vehicle that is defined as a taxi Jimbo
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skippy41 wrote:
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Vehicle choice, and what you mentioned,
After reading the guide, it seems a fare way forward, I hope that all of it is incorporated into the taxi laws, we only now need to try and get it there.
I don't know why some of the laws that are over 100 years old are still used, most have no bearing in a modern world,
Why do you still have to carry a bail of hay for instance, and can only pee on your offside back wheel, you be arrested for that now. :shock: :shock: :shock:
The rule book needs to be re written and it should be the trade that does it
Not some over paid office dweller, who only See's the inside of a cab when going out on the town. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Can I live in HOPE :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:


Define "vehicle choice".


Any purpose built vehicle that is defined as a taxi Jimbo


Oh.The TX4 then?

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Getting back on topic it was only about 12 years ago that Peterborough did have an unrestricted vehicle policy but they decided to adopt an all black cab policy with all the drivers having a set period of time to convert to black cabs. This I believe was done to distinguish the hackneys from the private hire. There are several E7's running in peterborough as private hire as well as most of the other makes of purpose built taxis

The safety issue is probably more to do with distinguishing hackney from private hire since Peterborough does operate a much stricter enforcement regime than the neighbouring councils
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The safety issue is probably more to do with distinguishing hackney from private hire


That is an overriding factor.

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