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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:57 am 
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Meeting Date: 12th November 2014

Report to Regulatory Panel

Title: Taxi and Private Hire Driver Knowledge Test


Purpose / Summary:

To seek the approval of The Regulatory Panel to change the way the taxi and private hire driver knowledge test is conducted from a written test to a verbal test.

Recommendations:

That members agree to change the taxi and private hire knowledge test from a written test to a verbal test.

Overview and Scrutiny:
Council:


Agenda
Item:

A.1
To the Chairman & Members of the Regulatory Panel on the 12th November 2014

BACKGROUND

Carlisle City Council first introduced “knowledge tests” to prospective taxi and private hire drivers in 2001. The tests include the drivers knowledge of streets, routes and public buildings in Carlisle and the surrounding rural area. It also includes a test to ensure the driver understands the terms and conditions attached to their licence and that they have a basic knowledge of handling cash transactions and understand the various tariffs.

This test has been updated over the years and a disability awareness test was added in 2010. This was further improved in 2012 by requiring all licensed drivers to attend a disability awareness course and to pass a “multiple choice” test to ensure they understood the course content.

CURRENT SITUATION

As Carlisle develops into a modern and multi racial city we have received applications for taxi and private hire driver licences from numerous people born outside of the UK and who’s first language is not English. These countries include, Turkey, Bangladesh, Poland, Afghanistan, Cyprus, Portugal, Bulgaria, Romania and The Czech Republic. All of these applicants are required to pass our written knowledge tests.

COMMUNICATION SKILLS
Occasionally, complaints have been received about the quality of some of the non UK driver’s spoken English where passengers have needed to converse with them.

Complaints are often difficult to investigate and these drivers have been known to bring their English speaking partners with them to assist in an investigation.

Obviously, during any dispute between the driver and their passenger, this cannot happen.

Some Councils have introduced a basic English Language test.. Most carry out the test “in-house” but some have “out sourced” the test to an independent training provider. This tends to be in cities where immigration is high and there can be a cost of approximately £50.

PROPOSED CHANGES

Although it is not yet thought to be a significant problem in Carlisle it is felt that the communication skills of all applicants need to be assessed. We believe that this can be achieved by changing our current knowledge test from a written test to a verbal test. The test can be “duel” marked, one for accuracy and one for clarity. This would also assist applicants whose written skills are poor or who were perhaps dyslectic.

This test would only apply to new applicants but should the language skills of an existing driver be called into question The Regulatory Panel may require them to also undertake and pass this test.

COST IMPLICATIONS

Currently no fee is charged for the knowledge test as officer time is minimal. Under the proposed scheme an officer will have to be present during the whole test. It is proposed therefore that a first attempt at the test is free but upon failing, any future tests would incur a fee of £10. It is also proposed that there should be a 10 day interval between tests to ensure applicants are adequately prepared. This is a similar time period that the DSA use for their taxi driving tests.

APPEAL PROCEEDURE

Should an applicant be refused a licence because of inadequate communication skills they would have a right of appeal to The Regulatory Panel and then if necessary to The Magistrates Court.. Cumbria Adult Education run English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) courses at Trinity School and applicants would be advised to contact them for advise.

TAXI ASSOCIATION

The views of the local Taxi Association have been sought and their Chairman was in favour of the proposed changes.

LEGISLATION

The Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 states that a District Council shall not grant a person a licence to drive a private hire vehicle or hackney carriage unless they are satisfied that the applicant is “fit and proper”. The Council can attach any test to ensure the applicant is fit and proper providing the test is reasonable. Currently these tests include medicals, criminal record checks, driving tests, knowledge tests and DVLA licence verification.

RECOMMENDATION

1 That members agree to change the taxi and private hire knowledge test from a written test to a verbal test.

2 That the first test be free but subsequent tests incur a charge of £10

3 That a minimum of 10 days elapse between tests.

4 Where instructed by The Regulatory Panel, existing licensed drivers may be required to undertake and pass the test where their English language skills have been brought into question.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:49 am 
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captain cab wrote:
Meeting Date: 12th November 2014

Report to Regulatory Panel

Title: Taxi and Private Hire Driver Knowledge Test


Purpose / Summary:

To seek the approval of The Regulatory Panel to change the way the taxi and private hire driver knowledge test is conducted from a written test to a verbal test.

Recommendations:

That members agree to change the taxi and private hire knowledge test from a written test to a verbal test.

Overview and Scrutiny:
Council:


Agenda
Item:

A.1
To the Chairman & Members of the Regulatory Panel on the 12th November 2014

BACKGROUND

Carlisle City Council first introduced “knowledge tests” to prospective taxi and private hire drivers in 2001. The tests include the drivers knowledge of streets, routes and public buildings in Carlisle and the surrounding rural area. It also includes a test to ensure the driver understands the terms and conditions attached to their licence and that they have a basic knowledge of handling cash transactions and understand the various tariffs.

This test has been updated over the years and a disability awareness test was added in 2010. This was further improved in 2012 by requiring all licensed drivers to attend a disability awareness course and to pass a “multiple choice” test to ensure they understood the course content.

CURRENT SITUATION

As Carlisle develops into a modern and multi racial city we have received applications for taxi and private hire driver licences from numerous people born outside of the UK and who’s first language is not English. These countries include, Turkey, Bangladesh, Poland, Afghanistan, Cyprus, Portugal, Bulgaria, Romania and The Czech Republic. All of these applicants are required to pass our written knowledge tests.

COMMUNICATION SKILLS
Occasionally, complaints have been received about the quality of some of the non UK driver’s spoken English where passengers have needed to converse with them.

Complaints are often difficult to investigate and these drivers have been known to bring their English speaking partners with them to assist in an investigation.

Obviously, during any dispute between the driver and their passenger, this cannot happen.

Some Councils have introduced a basic English Language test.. Most carry out the test “in-house” but some have “out sourced” the test to an independent training provider. This tends to be in cities where immigration is high and there can be a cost of approximately £50.

PROPOSED CHANGES

Although it is not yet thought to be a significant problem in Carlisle it is felt that the communication skills of all applicants need to be assessed. We believe that this can be achieved by changing our current knowledge test from a written test to a verbal test. The test can be “duel” marked, one for accuracy and one for clarity. This would also assist applicants whose written skills are poor or who were perhaps dyslectic.

This test would only apply to new applicants but should the language skills of an existing driver be called into question The Regulatory Panel may require them to also undertake and pass this test.

COST IMPLICATIONS

Currently no fee is charged for the knowledge test as officer time is minimal. Under the proposed scheme an officer will have to be present during the whole test. It is proposed therefore that a first attempt at the test is free but upon failing, any future tests would incur a fee of £10. It is also proposed that there should be a 10 day interval between tests to ensure applicants are adequately prepared. This is a similar time period that the DSA use for their taxi driving tests.

APPEAL PROCEEDURE

Should an applicant be refused a licence because of inadequate communication skills they would have a right of appeal to The Regulatory Panel and then if necessary to The Magistrates Court.. Cumbria Adult Education run English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) courses at Trinity School and applicants would be advised to contact them for advise.

TAXI ASSOCIATION

The views of the local Taxi Association have been sought and their Chairman was in favour of the proposed changes.

LEGISLATION

The Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 states that a District Council shall not grant a person a licence to drive a private hire vehicle or hackney carriage unless they are satisfied that the applicant is “fit and proper”. The Council can attach any test to ensure the applicant is fit and proper providing the test is reasonable. Currently these tests include medicals, criminal record checks, driving tests, knowledge tests and DVLA licence verification.

RECOMMENDATION

1 That members agree to change the taxi and private hire knowledge test from a written test to a verbal test.

2 That the first test be free but subsequent tests incur a charge of £10

3 That a minimum of 10 days elapse between tests.

4 Where instructed by The Regulatory Panel, existing licensed drivers may be required to undertake and pass the test where their English language skills have been brought into question.


Prediction and as usual your lot will roll over [not you of course] but the majority of those affected #-o

Obviously had the trade been organised its reps would have discussed this with Cllrs before any proposal was formulated, its called political clout easily exertabe on Labour cllrs by persuasion when your Unionised and in the Labour Party [do as your told or get de selected] or by threat of strikes demos on the Vermin Tory's and their Lap Dogs #-o #-o Really basic common sense ..........oops were talking cab drivers HERE brain dead grovelling cretins generally :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:40 pm 
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Prediction and as usual your lot will roll over [not you of course] but the majority of those affected #-o

Obviously had the trade been organised its reps would have discussed this with Cllrs before any proposal was formulated, its called political clout easily exertabe on Labour cllrs by persuasion when your Unionised and in the Labour Party [do as your told or get de selected] or by threat of strikes demos on the Vermin Tory's and their Lap Dogs #-o #-o Really basic common sense ..........oops were talking cab drivers HERE brain dead grovelling cretins generally :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


did you miss this bit;

TAXI ASSOCIATION

The views of the local Taxi Association have been sought and their Chairman was in favour of the proposed changes.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:52 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:

Prediction and as usual your lot will roll over [not you of course] but the majority of those affected #-o

Obviously had the trade been organised its reps would have discussed this with Cllrs before any proposal was formulated, its called political clout easily exertabe on Labour cllrs by persuasion when your Unionised and in the Labour Party [do as your told or get de selected] or by threat of strikes demos on the Vermin Tory's and their Lap Dogs #-o #-o Really basic common sense ..........oops were talking cab drivers HERE brain dead grovelling cretins generally :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


did you miss this bit;

TAXI ASSOCIATION

The views of the local Taxi Association have been sought and their Chairman was in favour of the proposed changes.


Indeed i did and withdraw my criticism should have known on your Manor =D> =D> =D>

Thats the way to do it get in first =D> =D> =D> A lesson to ALL :D :D

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Indeed i did and withdraw my criticism should have known on your Manor =D> =D> =D>

Thats the way to do it get in first =D> =D> =D> A lesson to ALL :D :D



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:59 pm 
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Carlisle taxi drivers' spoken English to be tested


Cabbies in Carlisle will have to pass a verbal English test to gain a licence.

Scrapping the current written test follows concerns some drivers cannot communicate with passengers.

Carlisle Taxi Association chairman Wayne Casey said there was a "reasonable expectation" a driver would be able to speak English.

The city council said it had received applications from people born in countries including Bangladesh, Poland, Afghanistan and Romania.

The move was agreed at a meeting of the authority's regulatory panel earlier.

Applicants currently sit a written test which assesses their geographical knowledge, disability awareness and understanding of cash, tariffs and their licence.

The new test will be free but, if the driver fails, re-sits will cost £10.

It will apply to new applicants, but existing licence holders may be asked to take it if their language skills are "called into question", the council said.

Other councils, such as Wrexham and Liverpool, already have verbal tests for taxi and private hire drivers.

source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-30018499

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To seek the approval of The Regulatory Panel to change the way the taxi and private hire driver knowledge test is conducted from a written test to a verbal test.

And the reason they can't do both is?

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And the reason they can't do both is?


I think they intend to

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:35 am 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow1S4DJtLOk

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captain cab wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow1S4DJtLOk


You're not well :lol:

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toots wrote:

You're not well :lol:


that's class; so's this!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--k_QsBszo

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It's enjoyable :D

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It's enjoyable :D


its class ffs

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toots wrote:
It's enjoyable :D


its class ffs


TBH I have no sound on my computer so it's enjoyable, because, trust me when I say I can't sing it like they do :wink:

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will sign off in an uncontroversial way;
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/carli ... -1.1174546

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