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Yes JD I have got "a clue" do you think it is right that nobody is consulted about an issue as important as this, so much for all the drivel you wrote about equality then eh?

P.S there is something wrong here, I will get to the bottom of it though.

Has it been a long night

3. Who will be affected by the new legislation?

The legislation applies to “undertakings”. These are defined in the Directive and the Regulations as “a public or private undertaking carrying out an economic activity, whether or not operating for gain”. In terms of companies, DTI believes this means a separately incorporated legal entity (which would have its own shareholders and, in the case of British companies, a unique registration number at Companies House), as distinct from say an organisational entity such as an establishment, division or business unit of a company. It would also include partnerships, co-operatives, mutuals, building societies, friendly societies, associations, trade unions, charities and individuals who are employers – if they carry out an economic activity. It may also include schools, colleges, universities, NHS trusts, and Government bodies (both central and local), again if they carry out an economic activity. Ultimately it is a matter for the courts to decide (in the first instance, the Central Arbitration Committee), on a case-by-case basis, whether an organisation is carrying out an economic activity.


So tell me JD, why could this not apply to taxis in Edinburgh or anywhere else for that matter, why does the thought that the people who work and invest in a business be able to have some input and be consulted about the plans for that business worry you so much.

William i cant quite see why you are so scared . You oviously have bussiness acumen . Why does the prospect of de- limiting frighten you so much ?. They do have fleet owners , in de-limited areas you know . In some areas, its the forward thinking fleet owners, who want de-limiting . You have got a few bob . When de-limiting happens expand start charging fare rent, thats if you dont already , not every driver wants the hassle and risk of licensing and maintaining a cab . Edinburgh is larger than Liverpool , we have more cabs than you, we still have unmet demand . Edinburgh is your nations capital ,the amount work there should be infinite . Why the obsession with plate values . because thats all it is realy about . Why dont you think of the future and not like a misar . You will always come out on top STREETCAR.

william firstly i did not liken taxi owners to slave drivers, it was you who likened drivers to slaves,and therfore youreself to a slave driver.



and one that will not be answered on here to you,do you think everyone a fool william,you are obviously not aware that youre post are blatently transparent,all you are doing is probing for information
all i will say is that its more than the current trade reps claim to represent!
and growing



tell what it is i am trying to defend william,i am not aware of a defensive move on my part ,i will simply leave you to defend what you believe is right.i have nothing to defend william,apparently you do

oh god why dont you read some previouse post on this matter
i cant be bothered going over this again,so ill let you explain william

freeloaders ?????

flooded with taxis how so????

What he is trying to tell you is that after Cabforce didn't go Jim Taylor's way, the said Taylor along with the freeloaders that skull and ali t claim to represent are now forming an unholy alliance in a futile attempt to derestrict the taxi trade in Edinburgh. It all used to happen in the garages but now they think that they are computer whizzes.
Oh, and John Davies (or the great JD, as he thinks) is dissecting the Jacobs report to "make it happen" for them - hope the earth moves for them all!!!
The bad news for them is that opposition to their ideals is greater than they realise and far more coherent and reasonable.
As I've said, I've seen people like them come and go many times - oops, I forgot, they're different (or so they think)

Sometimes I wonder about you William? You don't understand the directive do you? You just looked at two words and take them out of context because you fail to understand the other two thousand words.

This directive is specificaly about Employer consultation with their employees. Who employs you William? Who Employs me? Not the council and not any trade union or association.

You better read that passage again and look carefully at the words "Employer". and "if they carry out an economic activity". I really am getting pizzed off at people like you who don't know their azz from their elbow.

I suspect you think the Council or perhaps the Government is your employer, do you? What will you do when the council turn around and say we are very sorry Mr Maitland but we only issue licenses we do not employ taxi drivers?

Have a look at this William.

* From 6 April 2005 employees in organisations with 150 or more employees have a right to be informed and consulted on a regular basis about issues in the organisation they work for. Organisations with 100 or more employees will come within the scope of the legislation in April 2007, and ones with 50 or more employees in April 2008.

Do you run an organisation with a large number of Employees William? Then if so they will be able to request from you that you enter into an I & C. Just in case you don't know what an I & C is the DTI spell it out quite clearly.

1. What is “information and consultation”?

It is about on-going dialogue with the workforce so that employees are kept up-to-date about significant developments in the workplace. It is more than simply providing information. Consultation means employees have the chance to express an opinion about particular issues, and employers genuinely and conscientiously consider and respond to their views. Informing and consulting can take place through employee representatives, directly with the employees, or through a combination of both methods. However, informing and consulting is different to negotiation, collective bargaining or joint decision-making. Decisions remain the responsibility of management.

Does the word "employees" resonate with you William? Of course it does. Are you employed by the council? Of course your not? is anyone in the Taxi trade employed by the council? of course they are not? Do you understand the difference between employee and employer? Do you acknowledge that this directive is one which specificaly states employee and employer?

You better read that passage again because we can all see the two words that you are hung up on, however the reference is to Associations and trade uniions who are "employers" and not what you infer.

Perhaps you should discard your tunnel vision and look at the directive and what it actually says not what you would like it to say?

Did you find this directive all by yourself or did some bright spark introduced you to it? If you were introduced to it by an associate then in future you might wish to think twice before accepting what they say as gospel.

Regards

JD

RCF, once again you fail to attach any facts to what you are waffling on about.

Give us a breakdown of the Jacob Report and explain to all how they got it right by showing us the figures to prove it.

Show us how you and your minions represent the drivers of Edinburgh who are paying over inflated rentals or plate premiums. Explain why a qualified driver is welcomed into the trade to drive, but not to own, unless they are prepared to prop up your little cartel. Tell us why the Ph should be allowed to double while qualified taxi drivers can’t get a licence for their own taxi.

Or enlighten us to how all of the trade has been informed about the Plymouth case and what it could mean to someone who has just bought a licence.


So far not one of the so called trade representative bodies have been in touch with us or has come forward to even speak to us, must be great having all of these highly charged individuals doing your bidding.

You won’t even meet with us nor will any of your buddies, christ, all you do is hide away on forums under pseudonyms insinuating threats.


You’re full of [edited by admin] RCF nothing you say has any weight behind it all you are doing is living in hope the day might never come. Well its coming alright and if not by our hand by someone else’s. The trade is on borrowed time de-restriction is in the offing and it’s only a matter of time.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

You were correct in your first sentence "FEAR" one word says it all.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

"The legislation applies to “undertakings”. These are defined in the Directive and the Regulations as “a public or private undertaking carrying out an economic activity, whether or not operating for gain”.

I dont know about that JD, and no I dont think anyone employs me, but we are involved in an undertaking, in my dictionary the word, undertaking is defined as "Enter upon an activity or enterprise" or "Any piece of work that is undertaken or attempted" so if as you say it does not cover Taxi drivers, it should.

Tedious Dullards online, I will make enquiries about this myself.

well if you think it applies go apply it
to rest of us its just a boring distraction

only since you reared youre boring head

well Streetcar the population of edinburgh is approx 448,000 while I believe Liverpools is estimate for 2004 puts your population at 444,500, not much of a difference really.