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Where does it say, if you become a member of the NTA, you will receive legal representation?



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Where did anyone claim that being a member of the NTA provides you with legal representation?

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Where does it say, if you become a member of the NTA, you will receive legal representation?



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Where did anyone claim that being a member of the NTA provides you with legal representation?


There are claims by some on this forum that, had the 21 in Ashfield been members of the NTA or the BMG. They would still be working irrespective of Ashfield Council's decision to suspend.

This would take an appeal through the courts.


I'm starting to think those blowing about the NTA, and the BMG are full of shi*.

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grandad wrote:
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Where does it say, if you become a member of the NTA, you will receive legal representation?



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Where did anyone claim that being a member of the NTA provides you with legal representation?


There are claims by some on this forum that, had the 21 in Ashfield been members of the NTA or the BMG. They would still be working irrespective of Ashfield Council's decision to suspend.

This would take an appeal through the courts.


I'm starting to think those blowing about the NTA, and the BMG are full of shi*.

:-|


Where does it say that the NTA would have got them their badges back?? There' only one person saying that and it's you.


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Actually Nigel, you posted that on the previous page.

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Actually Nigel, you posted that on the previous page.


I think Nidge is referring to no NTA members having been done yet?

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Actually Nigel, you posted that on the previous page.


I think Nidge is referring to no NTA members having been done yet?

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Are you sugesting that the LO is targeting drivers who have no affiliation to a union or association?

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It would seem obvious that drivers with no affiliations to any local or national organizations will be less able to take on power mad Local Authorities or LA Officers with over inflated self importance.

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grandad wrote:
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Actually Nigel, you posted that on the previous page.


I think Nidge is referring to no NTA members having been done yet?

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Are you sugesting that the LO is targeting drivers who have no affiliation to a union or association?


How would they know who was o was not affilated to what. They would only know those that are the spokesperson for the said union or association or perhaps those that have been before them on another matter, with representation

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I have it on very good authority that had these drivers been members of the GMB, when all this came about, they would be working tonight, tomorrow night and every other night until they won in court.

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If they had been members of the NTA they would have been working. You've got to be in it to win it.


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That is the reality of today.

If folks don't want to put in, then they will never be able to take out.


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http://www.gmb.org.uk/about_gmb.aspx

Sorry! Could not help myself!


Once again, there is, representation and Legal Representation in a Court of Law.

Does the NTA, BMG, T&G or RMT provide Legal Representation in a Court of Law as a part of their conditions of membership?

This is what the RMT writes in their Legal Services page:

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RMT provides a wide range of legal services for its members (subject to Rule for eligibility and legal assistance).  For an initial enquiry, one of our freephone helplines should assist:


I would call this bullshi*.

Does someone want to explain to me where I have got it wrong?

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You have no representation if you have no powers of negotiation.

What you have is a little chitchat, with so called representatives, sitting with councillors drinking cups of tea passing around the gypsy creams. Their job is then to subjugate their membership by passing down scraps from the masters' table, while protecting their own interest. Your “representation” actually becomes part of the problem.

A negotiation comes about when both sides can do serious and irreparable damage to each other.

You negotiate a settlement because of the costs involved and the uncertainty of the outcome. In today's world, it's about legal costs and political survival.

Unless you have a War chest bursting with cash and legal representation to match, you are stuffed.


If the NTA, BMG, T&G or the RMT fail to provide full legal representation for their members, there doesn't seem, much point to being a member. :-|

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So what organisation should I join to have full legal representation in a court of law?

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So what organisation should I join to have full legal representation in a court of law?

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I would guess the answer to that is none. No union or association could guarantee to give you representation in court on the grounds that you may be guilty of the offense that you are in court for. They may offer legal advice and then if you have a strong enough case you may get some legal representation. But if you are unlikly to win, why should members fees be thrown away.

Anyway, I can't see any association or union wanting you to join them.

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Having read the minutes for the meeting on Tuesday 24th March 2009 I find it strange that at that time they appear to have the opinion that the local authority had no power to take action against any Hackney Carriage Driver that waits on the road, as quoted below, but now believe the opposite or have I totally misunderstood what Mr Neale was saying :?

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However, as all the licensed vehicles prefer to use the Fox Street rank, being the most lucrative area, this then results in ‘over ranking’. He advised that unfortunately, the local authority has no power to take action against any Hackney Carriage Driver who wait’s on a road in order to get on to a specific rank. Any traffic problems such as obstruction, waiting on yellow lines and other parking offences were matters for the Police and Traffic Wardens.

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grandad wrote:
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So what organisation should I join to have full legal representation in a court of law?

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I would guess the answer to that is none. No union or association could guarantee to give you representation in court on the grounds that you may be guilty of the offense that you are in court for. They may offer legal advice and then if you have a strong enough case you may get some legal representation. But if you are unlikly to win, why should members fees be thrown away.

Anyway, I can't see any association or union wanting you to join them.


No one is suggesting that anyone should pursue a fruitless task, but this is not the case here.

Oh and Grandad, you can keep your associations and your unions, if they are all as gutless as you there doesn't seem, much point to being a member.

The NTA and the likes are just sewers full of rats. Fight for their members, that's a good laugh. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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